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Old 05-28-2009, 03:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Now, I have been listening to nickelback for a while now and I tend to think that I like his (thier?) music. They have lyrics that try to be ambient and cool. Sometimes even trying to appeal to the demographic of the pop culture but also some few bikers and maybe those who like country music. So I really can't see why y'all hate him.

I have to be honest, very many of the songs I have heard and really liked i.e. seventeen by ladytron or even more heavier du Hast by Rammstein have no lyrics. In the rammstein song he just says "Are you gonna live with her for the rest of your life" over and over again. Nickelback actually has coherent lyrics. They aren't corny or cheap. To say that you don't like Nickelback genre then you must also hate creed, 3 Doors down, matchbox 20 and goo goo dolls (Not really the dolls but they are kinda alike).

I HATE rap because I find it distasteful and lacking in style. I'm sorry but even Run DMC's music was just bad for me. Aaaand they have lyrics.

So....
Why do you hate Nickelback? (He sucks is not an answer)
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't really hate Nickelback, but they try to sell themselves as rock but they are as pop as Britney Spears and The Backstreet Boys(ha I can't even think of a more recent pop act.) This is why everyone HATES them, Especially the internet where everyone has to have an opinion of either LOVE or HATE but never anywhere between.

edit: dangit twisted! I was posting that!
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hate? I don't hate them. They just don't play the type of music I like to listen to.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:38 PM   #5 (permalink)
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To say that you don't like Nickelback genre then you must also hate creed, 3 Doors down, matchbox 20 and goo goo dolls (Not really the dolls but they are kinda alike).
I'm completely comfortable saying that I don't dig any of these bands. I don't like them for pretty much the same reason I don't like any band. They don't appeal to me and I don't relate to their music very well.

Grown men bitching about women and such just doesn't get me going. I like my music a lot faster, harder, and about booze, rebellion, and being poor. =p
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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To say that you don't like Nickelback genre then you must also hate creed, 3 Doors down, matchbox 20 and goo goo dolls (Not really the dolls but they are kinda alike).
Wow, that's pretty much every band that makes me reach for the radio dial like a knee-jerk.

Why dont' I like them? I guess it's the combination of romantic lyrics with processed hard-rock guitars. It just sounded forced to me. I get the same reaction when I hear most nashville pop-country.

With Nickleback specifically, for me it has a lot to do with the double-edged sword that is "CanCon".

Essentially, here in Canada broadcasters must devote a certain percentage of their programming to Canadian produced content. The idea is to promote and develop Canadian talent and arts under the tidal wave of American culture we're exposed to.

The plus is just what it promises: Artists like The New Pornographers or Arcade Fire and shows like Testees and Trailer Park Boys get a voice.

The negative is that when there is a bonafide mainstream hit by a Canadian act like Nickelback or Brian Adams or Tom Cochran, it's an all out heavy-rotation blitz as the broadcasters fall over themselves cashing in.

I actually like the song "Steal My Sunshine" by Len, but back when it came out, it was inescapable. Just like Nickelback.
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The video says "All Nickelback Songs Sound the Same" then plays two. Like all Green Day songs sound the same, then just play "Good Riddance" and "Blvd. of Broken Dreams". I happen to like "Far Away" and "Because of You". Sue me...
Creed cranked out tunes like a factory and had maybe one or two decent ones, same with 3 Doors Down, et al.
If we all liked the same stuff, it'd be pretty damned boring. Insanely boring.
When you go back to the 80's (still the most prolific and progressive decade ever in music), you find groups like U2 and Police doing some decent work then going so commercial, they might as well be singing about Coke. They went from rock to sugar.
Nickelback ain't any different.
It's called "makin money".
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The thing about Nickelback?

They're quite open and up front about being a formulaic and commercial band.

They especially like the commercial part. Can't you tell?
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I to this day maintain that Silver Side Up was a good album when it hit. The problem for me is that they're released the same album every few years since.

Any situation where the commercialization or monetization of the music overshadows the music itself is guaranteed to turn me off.
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I have no issue with popular music.

I also don't believe that any musician gets into this business without the dream of making it big (i.e. commercialization). I have no problem with this.

In the end, if I like the music, I like the music.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I have no issue with popular music.

I also don't believe that any musician gets into this business without the dream of making it big (i.e. commercialization). I have no problem with this.

In the end, if I like the music, I like the music.
It's not that I object to the commercialization of music per se. Musicians need to make money, same as anyone. I suppose the standard is whether a musician is in this career path for the music, or for the money/fame/women. I would contend that anyone who pursues the latter is ultimately a fool anyway, since the odds of actually achieving that kind of success are vanishingly small.

I don't know that Nickelback was always that way. Silver Side Up really was good. It was new, and it had a lot of energy. There were some good sounds there. But ever since then they've stagnated. Given my views of music as an artform, this makes it very difficult for me to take them seriously.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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That was the worst rape of two of the best songs that introduced me to rock music in the beginning!! I will never forgive you twisted!!!!

And I don't get what y'all mean by commercialization. What exactly does Hannah Montana and 50 cent do? It's not like they're saying "That girl broke my heart and drank a pepsi"

The music is good. And thanks ng, I had to come out of my closet and I'm glad I'm not alone.

EDIT: I really like Brian Adams too. Most especially underwear!!
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't like Nickelback because to me they sound very bland and generic. Someone mentioned that there are a few bands that all sound indistinguishable from each other and I agree.

However, I constantly get made fun of for my choice in music, so I can't really say anyone sucks even if they do.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They're the musical equiv of Saltine crackers... everybody can eat them and yet they offer nothing of substance.

The guy's vocals are so "good" they have no character, the music is so washed it sounds like it was made in a lab.

But ya know how it goes: whatever gets the records selling and the G-strings down around the ankles.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I to this day maintain that Silver Side Up was a good album when it hit. The problem for me is that they're released the same album every few years since.

Any situation where the commercialization or monetization of the music overshadows the music itself is guaranteed to turn me off.
Quoted for truth.

When Silver Side Up came out, I really liked it. But us Canuck radio stations overplayed it...severely. And their albums all start to sound the same.

Even so, I like singing that Rockstar song. whoo.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Martian have you ever heard of Evan's Blue? Listen to the Melody (1st album) and then listen to their second album, Cross and a girl called blessed ... then tell me if changing music styles is always a good idea.

Also Avril Lavigne ... 3 Days Grace, they all changed settings and then what happened?
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:20 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Sorry to be offtopic and trite, but I find it hilarious as I'm reading this thread I'm also consuming a store-bought baguette and a few red apples. It seems as though bland surrounds Nickelback.


To be honest, I've listened and enjoyed some of their radio hits in the past, but I don't actively seek them out; they are not bad, but are quite generic. It's not bad to consume saltine crackers or baguettes every once in a while, but they won't have you salivating at the thought of eating/listening. I'd say this describes most of Nickelback's audience I've encountered thus far.
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Wow, that's pretty much every band that makes me reach for the radio dial like a knee-jerk.

Why dont' I like them? I guess it's the combination of romantic lyrics with processed hard-rock guitars. It just sounded forced to me. I get the same reaction when I hear most nashville pop-country.

With Nickleback specifically, for me it has a lot to do with the double-edged sword that is "CanCon".

Essentially, here in Canada broadcasters must devote a certain percentage of their programming to Canadian produced content. The idea is to promote and develop Canadian talent and arts under the tidal wave of American culture we're exposed to.

The plus is just what it promises: Artists like The New Pornographers or Arcade Fire and shows like Testees and Trailer Park Boys get a voice.

The negative is that when there is a bonafide mainstream hit by a Canadian act like Nickelback or Brian Adams or Tom Cochran, it's an all out heavy-rotation blitz as the broadcasters fall over themselves cashing in.

I actually like the song "Steal My Sunshine" by Len, but back when it came out, it was inescapable. Just like Nickelback.
I don't like nickelback because they are forced; contrived. Their drumming is run of the mill, Chad's voice is grading, their melodies are repetitive, their guitar work is without character or distinction, they have no original thought or feeling within their lyrics, etc. I could go on.

What I hate about this style of music is that it's defense is "but they are blue collar; their lyrics are about looking at a photograph because that's what they do man!" But The Hold Steady rock a similar outlook but with a lot more grace and originality. They are drunken poets. Being an artist means creating art; I don't think their is a place in my mind for people who replicate it as an art form.
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:30 AM   #20 (permalink)
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To say that you don't like Nickelback genre then you must also hate creed, 3 Doors down, matchbox 20 and goo goo dolls (Not really the dolls but they are kinda alike).
Yep I hate all these bands, no need to listen to Creed(Christian Pearl Jam), 3 doors down, please some douche pissing and moaning about how hard his life is when he's made millions with limited talent, Matchbox 20, seriously people still listen to that, the Goo Goo Dolls needs no explanation why they shouldn't be listened to....what was that song for a movie they did? Fuckin lame.

Why don't I like Nickelback besides them not being my style, all their songs sound the same, and they play them 50 fuckin times a day on the radio, and I just really don't dig Nickelback
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:00 AM   #21 (permalink)
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With Nickleback specifically, for me it has a lot to do with the double-edged sword that is "CanCon".

Essentially, here in Canada broadcasters must devote a certain percentage of their programming to Canadian produced content. The idea is to promote and develop Canadian talent and arts under the tidal wave of American culture we're exposed to.

The plus is just what it promises: Artists like The New Pornographers or Arcade Fire and shows like Testees and Trailer Park Boys get a voice.

The negative is that when there is a bonafide mainstream hit by a Canadian act like Nickelback or Brian Adams or Tom Cochran, it's an all out heavy-rotation blitz as the broadcasters fall over themselves cashing in.

I actually like the song "Steal My Sunshine" by Len, but back when it came out, it was inescapable. Just like Nickelback.
I have a friend whose fiance is American and LOVES Nickelback and couldn't understand my extreme hate for them until I explained it pretty much like you did above. If it wasn't for the for CanCon, I still wouldn't like them but I probably wouldn't hate them as much as I do. I'm starting to feel the same way about Billy Talent since 102.1 in Toronto plays them so damn much.
But you're right for putting up with excess of Nickelback we do get Arcade Fire so it kinda all balances out in the end.
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I wish we would have had Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman when I was a teen.

You want some bands to hate? Don't get me started on Journey, Styx, Loverboy and their like. I suspect Chad Kroeger understands enough about the music industry that he'll make money on stage right now and then at some point he'll make it off other bands. Meanwhile many of those "artists" from the 80s are touring county fairs and casinos in Oklahoma hoping someone remembers them.

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I have a friend whose fiance is American and LOVES Nickelback and couldn't understand my extreme hate for them until I explained it pretty much like you did above. If it wasn't for the for CanCon, I still wouldn't like them but I probably wouldn't hate them as much as I do. I'm starting to feel the same way about Billy Talent since 102.1 in Toronto plays them so damn much.
But you're right for putting up with excess of Nickelback we do get Arcade Fire so it kinda all balances out in the end.
This has as much to do with the lousy state of commercial radio these days as it does with any band.

For example, Nickleback's music crosses many radio formats. You can hear them on Classic Rock, Alternative Rock, Adult Contemporary, Soft Rock and Top 40 stations and these make up about 90% of the dial. It's the same for those other bands mentioned in the OP.

What is it about the power-ballad that gives it such traction?
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Nickelback is the modern equivalent of Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers with one important difference. Tom Petty made a career of what amounts to 4 songs slightly reshuffled with new lyrics. I would argue that Nickelback's source material isn't as interesting or as good.

For me, music hasn't been nearly as interesting since The Beta Band broke up.
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You should know by now that you're not supposed to like a band that makes it to the radio!

I'm not really bothered when a band sells out or goes commercial, as long as the music is good. Nickelback has always been too country for me; I tend to look for more technical guitar/drums in most of the music I listen to.

Isn't every band ultimately striving to "go commercial" and make money?
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I wish we would have had Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman when I was a teen.

You want some bands to hate? Don't get me started on Journey, Styx, Loverboy and their like. I suspect Chad Kroeger understands enough about the music industry that he'll make money on stage right now and then at some point he'll make it off other bands. Meanwhile many of those "artists" from the 80s are touring county fairs and casinos in Oklahoma hoping someone remembers them.

Rock and Roll is entertainment, not art.
My suspicion is that bands like Nickleback etc. will also be playing county fairs and casinos (or some similar circuit) in 20 years. There's not much different between then and now in this genre. Journey and the others you mentioned might be considered light-prog rock but it's mostly Pop. Besides, do you know how much casinos and fairs pay for those "has-beens?" Hell, I'm just a local act and when I've been in bands that play casinos the money is really good (for a local act). I'm guessing those bands aren't hurting ...

But you are right the genre of "Pop" within Rock-and-Roll is entertainment no art. There are art-bands that play Rock-and-Roll though.
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In my opinion, Silver Side Up was just a decent album. Once that hit though, every Nickelback song got played on the radio every five minutes and I got hugely burned out on them. Their lyrics and music are bland and generic (much like the other bands mentioned in comparison) and yet, we are being forced to listen to them all day, every day. I also have a problem with how they play to the hard rock/heavy metal image. If you listen to them, you realize they are just another cookie-cutter pop band. There is nothing "hard" or "edgy" about them or their music and unfortunately, bland is what sells to the masses. This is all fine, if that's what you like in your music but that's not exactly my cup of tea. Don't tell me they're an edgy, relevant hard rock band because they're not...and PLEASE...STOP playing that sappy "Gotta Be Somebody" 80's pop ballad on the hard rock stations right after an advertisement claims your station plays "everything that rocks"!

What happened to rock anyway? Since when did everything get all whiny and bitchy about feelings and women? I want my sex, drugs and rock and roll attitude back is all I'm saying.

Just my two cents.
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Nickelback is about as cookie cutter as they come.

all the bands mentioned in your list are cookie cutter with lyrics that are posed to the fluff pop crowd who simply devour music because it's not good, but because it's popular. What makes music popular? That's an interesting question but there is obviously a technique that radio exec's use in order to achieve this and create the frenzy of sheep buying power.

and Xerxys.. am I really going to listen to your take on music when you said that Led Zeppelin was boring?
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I wish we would have had Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman when I was a teen.

You want some bands to hate? Don't get me started on Journey, Styx, Loverboy and their like. I suspect Chad Kroeger understands enough about the music industry that he'll make money on stage right now and then at some point he'll make it off other bands. Meanwhile many of those "artists" from the 80s are touring county fairs and casinos in Oklahoma hoping someone remembers them.

Rock and Roll is entertainment, not art.
I hate labeling genres when it comes to pop because it represents a sound and an "art form". so when I say "pop-rock" I mean the sound, not all popular rock and roll.

See I don't hate Journey, Styx, and Loverboy et al. Because Pop-Rock can be good. If it is done well. In fact POP IS GOOD. Good pop consists of melodies, lyrics, and instrumentals that are GOOD.

Nickelback has a monotonous sound that comes off as lazy; acoustic beginning, drums pick up on the second verse, chorus the wall of "rock guitars" crash in (which is just four power chords over and over again). They remind me of a phony Ramones. The Ramones weren't making music with their three chords, they were making noise. But they didn't pretend to be musicians. Nickelback does.

On the entertainment front: Chad's tone is so flat. The guitars are monotonous. The bass line singular. The drumming predictable. There is nothing dynamic about it. How is it even entertaining? I just don't get it. There are no hooks because all of their stuff is so dissonant sounding. I don't get it.

I'm not of the persuasion that is amused when pyro goes off. So maybe it's just not my thing. I like some substance.
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Note: art and entertainment are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they most often go together.

thespian86 has summed up a lot of the problems I have with Nickelback, which leaves me with this question: why is it so important to you Xerxys that everyone digs your music? If you listen to it and you enjoy it, then who cares if everyone else in the known Universe thinks it's crap? The important part is what you like.
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why is it so important to you Xerxys that everyone digs your music? If you listen to it and you enjoy it, then who cares if everyone else in the known Universe thinks it's crap? The important part is what you like.
Ding!

That's the answer we're looking for....

I recently rekindled my obsession with the Tragically Hip (I'm a homegrown Kingston boy). I could argue that they are the best band in the world (though I could argue that for the Beatles, Big Sugar, Radiohead, and the Smashing Pumpkins, too).

The Tragically Hip is the best band in the world. I believe that. I don't mind if you disagree, because it's mine. I grew up with them. They were featured prominently as I progressed through high school, college, and beyond, and all the events that transpired around that time.

The Tragically Hip is mine.

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Nickelback has a monotonous sound that comes off as lazy; acoustic beginning, drums pick up on the second verse, chorus the wall of "rock guitars" crash in (which is just four power chords over and over again). They remind me of a phony Ramones. The Ramones weren't making music with their three chords, they were making noise. But they didn't pretend to be musicians. Nickelback does.

On the entertainment front: Chad's tone is so flat. The guitars are monotonous. The bass line singular. The drumming predictable. There is nothing dynamic about it. How is it even entertaining? I just don't get it. There are no hooks because all of their stuff is so dissonant sounding. I don't get it.
Along with the previously-posted "two songs played at the same time", please listen to this style parody of Nickelback by Possible Oscar: How We Recycle. (I'd embed it, but we don't have a code for The FuMP.)
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I'm in such a minority when it comes to discussing music, in that I absolutely love any song that makes it to Top40. I don't think it has anything to do with it's actual position as a 'hit', only that it seems anything that makes it to Top40 I will enjoy. I guess that means I agree with the people who determine the top 40, and the rest of you are just music snobs.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:49 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I really hate most music on the radio to the point where I haven't listened to it in years. Nickelback's lead singer sounds like a dog trying to sing (honestly, picture a dog bark combined with a human singing). Every song sounds the same, and, worst of all, the people who honestly like Nickelback think it's "hardcore metal" or "hard shit" or "hard rock" when it's the equivalent of a male Britney Spears with guitars.

And yes, I hate the rest of the bands you mentioned, and most people who hate Nickelback hate them also. My mind simply can't enjoy music that sounds like a machine made it (which is what most songs on the radio sound like). Britney Spears songs are engineered to be enjoyable the first time you hear them and get you to buy the album; same shit is in effect here.

Really the only music I can listen to is a very, very small sample of metal and a slightly larger sample of electronic music.

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I'm in such a minority when it comes to discussing music, in that I absolutely love any song that makes it to Top40.
Actually you are the majority.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:11 AM   #36 (permalink)
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...and PLEASE...STOP playing that sappy "Gotta Be Somebody" 80's pop ballad on the hard rock stations right after an advertisement claims your station plays "everything that rocks"!

What happened to rock anyway? Since when did everything get all whiny and bitchy about feelings and women? I want my sex, drugs and rock and roll attitude back is all I'm saying.
Oh man, that's the best:

You're listening to KHARD-101!
*sound of revving engine and heavy metal guitars*
Nobody kicks ass harder than we do!
*sounds of explosions and kungfu fight*
We rock out with our cocks out! Oh yeahh!
*sounds of woman orgasming and a chainsaw*
And now here's Poison with Every Rose Has Its Thorn!!! On K-HARRRD!!!!!...

/me plugs in an audiobook.

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Old 05-29-2009, 11:07 AM   #37 (permalink)
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You're listening to KHARD-101!
*sound of revving engine and heavy metal guitars*
Nobody kicks ass harder than we do!
*sounds of explosions and kungfu fight*
We rock out with our cocks out! Oh yeahh!
*sounds of woman orgasming and a chainsaw*
And now here's Poison with Every Rose Has Its Thorn!!! On K-HARRRD!!!!!...
Priceless.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:57 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Martian this wasn't a **puts on whiny voice** "Please Stop picking on Nickelback, They're not bad, just misunderstood" type of thread.

I actually wanted to know why y'all hate Nickelback. Most of you were in agreement that to change styles is the way to go for a band. If that was the case, then Linkin Park would still not be here. I disagree with changing styles too much. I would rather hear a song and go like "Ooo Ooo Ooo, I know who sang that, wait could it be ... " Yep. I'm one of those. So in essence you answered the wrong question but thanks for trying.

And if you think you can sing better than Chad Kroeger or that his tone is flat then your really just bashing for little or no reason at all. If your gonna pick on something then give the devil credit where it's due. But ohh well...
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:10 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Xerxys, you are tone deaf man. You think that Chad can sing or Scott whiney Stapp can sing?

you want to hear singing check out Howard Jones of Killswitch Engage.
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:19 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I think I can sing better than Chad Kroeger. His tone is not flat since it's been autotuned to death ... but it has no real personality. It's all contrived. I'd rather hear a person singing slightly out-of-tune with a lot of personality than autotuned BS.

Not to say that a product like autotune doesn't have it's uses ... but to just blindly apply it across the entire vocal take is something I don't like (and I'm not talking about the Cher effect). But that's a topic for another thread.

Really, this all comes down to personal taste. I LIKE surprises in music ... I like music with substance. I don't think lyrics have to be bad high-school poetry. I don't think music has to be drop-D two-finger power chords.

But that's just me. I'm not judging anyone based on what music they like. Seriously, it doesn't matter to me at all if someone likes Nickleback or whatever floats your boat. Just as I am certain that it doesn't matter to you that I like Tom Waits or Leonard Cohen (speaking of out-of-tune vocals).

I don't even judge the bands themselves. If they honestly enjoy what they do then great: keep doing it and keep getting paid for it.
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