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Old 04-21-2004, 08:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The I hate rap post

This is not an attack on people who like rap. I just have to get this off my chest.

I can't stand rap music. All of it, and I know alot of it. Underground, aboveground. I hate it all. Several people whip up electronic beats using samples and various devices, and then rappers come in with some nonsense lyrics and just rap over it. Nothing is being said or created. It's just garbage. I hate the roots. The play instruments and are proud of that fact. They talk about how they are organic. Avril Lavigne has a band that plays instruments too. Then there is so much hype surrounding rap. Words like greatest and incredible are used to describe rap all the time. I don't think I've ever called anything I listen too incredible, but it is certainly better than rap. Rappers are obsessed with image, themselves, fashion, slang. It just sucks. I'm just getting started. I have some great rants about rap. Wait until I'm thinking more clearly.

My friend makes beats and everyone is constantly saying how great they sound and how incredible he is at making beats, but then so is his brother. What are the chances of a sophmore and a senior in highschool in the same family with no musical training having such prodigious beat making talent. 100%, because it takes no talent at all to make them. I can pick apart that crap in a minute. It might sound like I'm jealous, and I am, but I don't care.

Name one rap song with no extraineous lyrics that has a single well constructed idea. Not a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme.
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Rap doesnt have to prove anything to you. You dont like, and its not for you.
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Old 04-21-2004, 11:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Tribe Called Quest.
Mos Def.
Common.
GangStar.
The Roots.


Not all rap has to do with P. Diddy.
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Old 04-21-2004, 11:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Believe me. I'm familiar with most rap. I've seen the roots, J 5, Black Eyed Peas, Dialated Peoples, and others that you probably haven't heard of. I have something against all of them. Outkast is really the only group I like.
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Also not a slam against anyone who likes rap/hip-hop, but 99% of it I personally can't stand.
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, it's too general to say all rap's bad. I'm a fan of the Beastie Boys, Mos Def, Outkast, and the Roots, even though 95% of my CDs are rock.
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Old 04-21-2004, 01:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think rap/hip hop is a great medium, unfortunately every single popular act today abuses it.

Check out Massive Attack - Blue Lines for some great downbeat rhymes.
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Old 04-21-2004, 01:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It has the potenial to be something special. When rappers/hip hop artists start coming up with original ideas, writing their own beats, and giving some meaning to their lyrics rap will improve.

Right now every songs is about non-passionate sex, selling drugs, shooting/getting shot.

Just my 2 cents anyway
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Old 04-21-2004, 01:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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See, I don't think it's all bad music, but I hate it all with the exception of outkast. I went to the roots, and I enjoyed it, but I hate how everyone likes it, and blows them out of proportion like they are gods, and how everyone acts like they are so into it, and all the popular kids from the school are there. The Roots think they are so great because they play instruments, and other rap groups don't. They constantly call attention to the fact that they do, and like all rappers black thought talks about himself the whole time, and hardly any of what he says has meaning.

Then I go see Darkest Hour, and they just rock so hard, and are so talented, and don't call attention to themselves at all, but rather what they have to say. No ego you know. All there songs are about meaningful stuff, but noone is there, noone likes them, and I'm sure I'll never hear them refered to as incredible.

Then there is dredg. The best band ever.
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Old 04-21-2004, 03:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2004, 03:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Then there is dredg. The best band ever.
I <3 Dredg.

Anyway, concerning rap, I like mostly old-school rap, back when it wasnt about all your "bitches and hos" and the rims on your escalade and whatever the fuck the suckass mainstream rappers these days sing about. Public Enemy, N.W.A., and others, they weren't about trying to get people to buy their albums, they actually had something to say. Public Enemy actually carried a political and social message (and still do). N.W.A., they were like the blues artists of old, their songs told stories about the life the artists led, and that's what rap was born out of. Unfortunately 99% of what's popular now is shit. Among the popular stuff today I appreciate:

-The Roots. No, I don't worship them as gods or anything, but I think that they've got talent and much more substance than other rappers.

-The Streets. More storytelling rap... but from a white British guy. The Streets is pure fun to listen to, basically.

-Snoop Dogg. His lyrics are more "stereotypical-rap" but his delivery and his rhyming are great. Just really fun to listen to.

-Wu-Tang. Tremendously talented lyrically and they don't sing about stupid shit. Very good.

-k-os. Relatively underground rapper in the same vein as the Roots (sort of) but he's solo, not in a group. Outstanding lyrics.

-Prefuse 73. Mostly techno, actually but the rap cuts inserted are outstanding and the beats Prefuse engineers are incredible.

-mc chris. www.mcchris.com for those of you who don't know him. hilarious stuff and incredible (though bizarre) delivery.
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Old 04-21-2004, 03:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Youre reasons for not liking rap show you as being somewhat ignorant. Statements like
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I hate the roots. The play instruments and are proud of that fact. They talk about how they are organic. Avril Lavigne has a band that plays instruments too.
are ignorant. If you can't see the difference between Avril Lavigne and The Roots, then your post is meaningless and without merit.

I can't stand country, but that doesn't mean country artists have no talent.
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Old 04-21-2004, 04:16 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2004, 04:29 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I only listen to the best like Eminem, Dr. Dre, Obie Trice and 50 Cent/G-Unit.
One, FIFTY CENT?!?!?! He is an ex drug dealer who is popular for being shot many a time... You can't understand him. Thats not music, he wants to get laid and earn money.

Two, Obie Trice... I'll just shake my head
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Not all rap has to do with P. Diddy.
Not any good rap is associated with P. Diddy.
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:26 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Actually I think KRS1 did something with him.

Anyway, I neevr said the roots weren't talented. I only said that they are proud of the fact that there music is "organic" rather than "electric" like most rap. Is that really something to be proud of. I mean music has only been played on instruments for like uh thousands of years, and I didn't compare their talent or sound to avril, only the fact that they both play instruments, and one is obsessed with themselves because it makes them different.
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Old 04-22-2004, 02:31 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Old 04-22-2004, 04:08 AM   #19 (permalink)
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lyrics to aesop rock - daylight
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(yes y'all and ya don't stop keep on to the break of dawn)

Yo...put one up to shackle me, not clean logic procreation
I did not invent the wheel I was the crooked spoke adjacent
While the triple sixers lassos keep angels roped in the basement
I walk the block with a halo and a stick poking your patience
Ya'll catch a 30 second flash visual
Dirty cooperative net platoon bloom head trip split rediculous
Fathom the splicing of first generation
Fuck up or trickle down anti hero smack (Cracking!)
I paste the game to zero hour completion green (Splash!)
Duke of early retirement pick a dream
American nightmare hogging the screen
I'll hold the door open so you can stumble in
if you'd stop following me around the jungle gym
Now it's an honor and I spell it with the 'H' I stole from heritage
Merit crutch stolen wretched refuse of my teeming resonance
I promise temperance towards breed with a leaning conscience
Here the creed acts since responsive but my sports the war's the wattage
And I'm sleeping now (Wow!) yeah the settlers laugh
You won't be laughing when your covered wagons crash
You won't be laughing when the buzzards drag your brother's flags into rags
You won't be laughing when your front lawn is spangled with epitaphs
You won't be laughing
And I hang my boots to rest when I'm impressed
So I triple knot them and forgot them
This origami dream is beautiful
but man those wings will never leave the ground
Without a feather and a lottery ticket, now settle down

All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
put the pieces back together my way.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
put the pieces back together my way.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
put the pieces back together my way.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
put the pieces back together my way.

(yes, yes, y'all, you don't stop, keep on to the break of dawn)

Slacker bound emit a tabloid headline with a pulse
Shimmy cross the centerfold, and a dead time engulfed
Diddy crumbs for the better souls with seven deadly stains
To hear the blame to crystal conscience
To results a low life counting on one hand what he's accomplished
Ok, link me to activism chain activate street sweep
Plug deteriorating zenith bent Pendragon
I hock swords cores for the morbid spreading of mad men
(alley gospel)
Sinking their lincoln-log cabin and Charlie Chaplin waddle
I could zig zag and zig 'em again for the bashed dreams
Sparking in my brick wall windows another thick installment
Of one night in Gotham without the wretched
Houston we have a problem
Attached to a infested batch of city goblins
Who split holiday freak on a box cut cinema high road bellow
Head rips Watch red bricks turn yellow
Sort of similar to most backbones at camp Icarus
Raw feeling crimes congregating at pamper for bickering
Life's not a bitch life is a beautiful woman
Your only call her a bitch because she won't let you get that pussy
Maybe she didn't feel y'all shared any similar interests
Or maybe you're just an asshole who couldn't sweet talk the princess
Kiss the speaker wire or either pass it for some pagan thresh hold
Stomach full of halo kibbles
Wings span cast black of porn visuals hear the duck hunt ticker tape
Vision and pick apart the pixels
I got a friend of polar nature and it's all peace
When I seek similar stars but can't sit at the same feast
Metal Captain!
This cat is asking if I've seen his little lost passion
I told him: "Yeah, but only when I pedaled past him"

All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
put the pieces back together my way.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
put the pieces back together my way.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
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All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day,
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Let's give it everything we've got
Ready? Begin)

Artificial amateurs, aren't at all amazing
Analytically, I assault, animate things
Broken barriers bounded by the bomb beat
Buildings are broken, basically I'm bombarding
Casually create catastrophes, casualties
Cancelling cats got their canopies collapsing
Detonate a dime of dank daily doin dough
Demonstrations, Don Dada on the down low
Eatin other editors with each and every energetic
Epileptic episode, elevated etiquette
Furious fat fabulous fantastic
Flurries of funk felt feeding the fanatics
Gift got great global goods gone glorious
Gettin godly in his game with the goriest
Hit em high, hella height, historical
Hey holocaust hints hear 'em holler at your homeboy
Imitators idolize, I intimidate
In a instant, I'll rise in a irate state
Juiced on my jams like jheri curls jockin joints
Justly, it's just me, writin my journals
Kindly I'm kindling all kinds of ink on
Karate kick type brits in my kingdom
Let me live a long life, lyrically lessons is
Learned lame louses just lose to my livery
My mind makes marvelous moves, masses
Marvel and move, many mock what I've mastered
Niggas nap knowin I'm nice naturally
Knack, never lack, make noise nationally
Operation, opposition, off, not optional
Out of sight, out of mind, wide beaming opticals
Perfected poem, powerful punchlines
Pummelling petty powder puffs in my prime
Quite quaint quotes keep quiet it's Quannum
Quarrelers ain't got a quarter of what we got uh
Really raw raps, risin up rapidly
Riding the rushing radioactivity
Super scientifical sound search sought
Silencing super fire saps that are soft
Tales ten times talented, too tough
Take that, challengers, get a tune up
Universal, unique untouched
Unadulterated, the raw uncut
Verb vice lord victorious valid
Violate vibes that are vain make em vanished
? well would a wise wordsmith just
Weaving up words weeded up, I'm a workshift
Xerox, my X-ray-diation holes extra large
X-height letters, and xylophone tones
Yellow back, yak mouth, young ones yaws
Yesterday's lawn yards sell our (yawn?)
Zig zag zombies, zoomin to the zenith
Zero in zen thoughts, overzealous rhyme ZEA-LOTS!....

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Old 04-22-2004, 05:37 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Old 04-22-2004, 06:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: The I hate rap post

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Name one rap song with no extraineous lyrics that has a single well constructed idea. Not a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme.
I agree with the recommendation of "Daylight" by Aesop Rock, and have two more to recommend. This is coming from someone who has a strong bias against rap: these songs are excellent and fit the quoted criterion.

Atmosphere - Always Coming Back Home to You
Aesop Rock - No Regrets

"No Regrets" is easily my favorite rap song, period.
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Old 04-22-2004, 09:55 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I listen to rap....... Only because i think its hilarious.
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Old 04-22-2004, 09:55 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I went to the roots, and I enjoyed it, but I hate how everyone likes it, ...... and all the popular kids from the school are there.
So you hate things because everyone else likes it?? I agree. I hate sex, only cause everyone else likes it.

Why do you care what others like and what they don't? If I like something, I don't care who else likes it. And I'm definetly not gonna stop liking something because all the "popular kids" like it. That is just retarded. "I'm so cool that I can't like anything that the cool kids like."

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.....but I hate it all with the exception of outkast.
Well you are going to have to start to hate them now, because a lot of people like outkast especially with these two new albums. And if you go to an outkast show, I gaurantee that all the popular kids from all your local schools are going to be there.

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.....and hardly any of what he says has meaning.
No, you just don't understand or can't relate.

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Then I go see Darkest Hour ...... All there songs are about meaningful stuff, but noone is there, noone likes them....
Meaningful stuff to you maybe. And if all the "popular kids" from school WERE there, or if they became some huge record selling band, you would bitch about that. Make up your mind.

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Old 04-22-2004, 12:11 PM   #24 (permalink)
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"rap" is just short for "crap"!
HAW HAW HAW!

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Old 04-22-2004, 12:14 PM   #25 (permalink)
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if you don't like rap, so be it. i disagree pretty much on all points about rappers spitting nonsensical lyrics and the simplicity involved in making beats. sure, some rappers say some pretty stupid stuff and some beats are nothing more than casio crap. but if you looked hard enough, and really, it isn't that hard to find, you'll find lots of really great rap with good lyrics and complex beats.

and a lot of other people echoing the main post are referring to the rap they hear on the radio, which, i agree, can be garbage. but we all know the radio doesn't exactly emphasis the best of the respective genres. listen to any of the mainstream rock radio stations and you'll notice the same thing.
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Old 04-22-2004, 11:02 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: The I hate rap post

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Name one rap song with no extraineous lyrics that has a single well constructed idea. Not a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme.
I my self don't like rap all the much, but there are a few I like, mostly because I thin they are just funny as hell. ICP. While they are VERY offensive in how they put out there message, when you get past the songs about killing rednecks and fucking dead people, do make a pretty good damn point with there music.
On a compleatly different style of rap, is Saul Williams. he writes some of the most intelligent lyrics I have ever heard out of any style. The man just blows me away. And he does it with rap.
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Old 04-23-2004, 04:41 AM   #27 (permalink)
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this is not directed at anyone in this thread
but i find it amusing that a lot of people that say "rap sucks, its boring simple drumbeats with inane shouting over it" listen to stuff like ramones-style punk
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:43 AM   #28 (permalink)
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i never said i hated things because lots of people like them or because popular kids like them, i like system of a down, i like outkast, and i never said beats were simple, its easy to take things out of context

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Old 04-23-2004, 12:38 PM   #29 (permalink)
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this is not directed at anyone in this thread
but i find it amusing that a lot of people that say "rap sucks, its boring simple drumbeats with inane shouting over it" listen to stuff like ramones-style punk
My problem with most rap isn't the inane shouting, so much as what the inane shouting is about. Master P comes to mind. His CD has about 40 drive bys and such, but "Only God Can Judge Me". Jackass. Are you Christian, or a thug? That is where most rappers lose me.
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Old 04-23-2004, 12:53 PM   #30 (permalink)
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If you don't like it, you don't like it! Why do you have to go around calling it garbage? Lots of people call "Stairway to Heaven" the greatest song ever. Do you have to go and start a debate with each one? Most of the lyrics to that song are arguably nonsensical.

Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" is a good song with a single "well-constructed" idea. I don't know if you realize it, most songs with lyrics are mostly what you call " bunch of random statements about the theme." The only songs I can think of off the top of my head that don't jump around in their lyrics are ballads like Marty Robbin's El Paso.
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Old 04-23-2004, 02:23 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Well alot of songs are a description of something, and all the lines work to describe, or they all work to prove a point, but most rap is just like a stew of random shit that pertains to a theme, but the lines don't really have anything to do with eachother other than the fact that they are about the theme, like there is no harmony, or synergy. One exception I can think of is changes by tupac.

People talk about what they like and don't like. It's natural.
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Old 04-23-2004, 04:04 PM   #32 (permalink)
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i'm not sure what makes the lyrics for 2pac's "changes" unique. well, i mean, it' a great song, great message too (btw, changes is essentially i wonder if heaven got a ghetto with a different beat, i think), but there a lot of other rap songs that aren't stews of random shit that pertain to a theme. outside of outkast and outside of changes.

and as for the guy who used master p as an example, if all rap were like master p, i would back you up 100%. thankfully it isn't, though i don't really like ICP at all. i'll go with you on the Saul Williams though, he's cool.
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Old 04-23-2004, 04:59 PM   #33 (permalink)
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well changes is kind of like a state of the union, except about you know, and most of the lines serve a purpose, they aren't just there to rhyme or sound cool, they have meaning, every line works to describe the state of things

now take that aesop rock song, you can't possibly tell me that every line means something, i mean maybe i just dont know how stupid i am, but seriously why are some of those lines in there, what do they mean

also, like many many many non rap songs do not contain the word "i", but i think that a large percent, im talking like 85%, i could be wrong, contain the word "i", refering to the rapper
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Old 04-24-2004, 12:58 AM   #34 (permalink)
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someone can back me up or shoot me down for this, but rap has both a very large competitive background and also a large storytelling background, which goes back to the whole griots and stuff. hence the usage of "i" in braggadacio songs and in personal stories and the likes. i mean, whether or not you like it, cuz rap is definitely arrogant to an extent, is up to you and i can see why you wouldn't. but great storytelling can't be denied.

i know you've alreay cited outkast so you must be familiar with their catalogue, but if you haven't already, listen to "art of storytelling, part 1", especially andre's verse.

i agree with you on the aes rock tip, the man makes decent songs but you cant decipher what he's saying half the time. "no regrets" by aes rock is much clearer and a very good song too.

here's a song from an artist you may or not be familiar with. his name is j-live and just check out the lyrics to his song "one for the griot"

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He woke up in a daze, back achin'
Breath smellin' like liquor, dick smellin' like sex
Head throbbin' like the bass from the club last night
No idea how he left
Needless to say, perplexed
As he looked around the room that he never been in
Candles all around the bed, sheets quite feminine
Bucked naked with his kicks on
Breakaway jeans, drawers and sweater were all on the bedroom floor
He heard singin' from the shower from the bathroom door
Sounded like Melvin Moore but he couldn't be sure
She had a sexy ass voice but she was so off-key
Couldn't 'member how she looked, couldn't wait to see
Hopin' that it was the girl, third floor of the club
The one that let him grab her ass when they twisted the dub
Or perhaps it was the dime from the guest list line
Either one and several others would've suited him fine
From the bed to the bathroom, a voice said "come in"
Gradually now, he starts to remember
Peeped through the shower curtain, like bachelor number three
Pleasantly surprised to see that it was the bartender
And tender was the operative word
She had a body like a cello with legs, I mean, the ass was absurd
Long neck, smooth skin, pretty face, kooky nipples
Eyes wider than hips, full lips between dimples
She said "how did you sleep?"
He said he didn't know
She asked "was it good for you too?"
"I think so, but I really can't remember what went down last night"
She told him "take off your shoes, we can replay the highlights"
Stepped out the shower in a daze, legs achin'
Breath short from the ???, dick wrapped in a hat
Wide open cuz it was the last from a twelve-pack
Spit four in the shower till his tire went flat
She thought he was all that
She said "I don't have to work today
Take a little nap so we can do it again"
No sooner than she said it, keys jingled, door slammed
He said "please baby, please don't let it be your boyfriend
For the love of basketball, Mademoiselle, look
I ain't Biggie Smalls, I don't even want a story to tell
I'm a lover, not a fighter, alright"
But then a girl walked in
Saw him naked and said "What the hell?"
Time stood still as he thought to himself,
"This reminds me of a beer commercial back in the day"
She's too young to be her mother, so he asked,
"How you doin'? Would you care to join in?"
She said, "nigga is you crazy?
See this ring on my finger? That's my wife you was fuckin'
My name ain't Ronald ???, don't try to play me out"
She reached in her purse for the little pearl handle
He splashed her in the face with the wax from the candle
The 'tender ran back into the bathroom, screamin'
Slipped on the condom wrapper, broke her pretty little neck
The burnt-face wife pulled a gun on the dude
Famous last words: "I ain't mean you no disrespect!"

[Talking]
Wow! That was crazy
Yo J, that was cool and all (uh huh)
But what's up with the violent ending, man?
Is it possible for it to end a little more pleasant?

[Chorus]
What if the story woulda ended like this?
I'ma kick it again but only with a slight twist
It goes one for the griot
Two for da gods
Three to flip the script, cuz it ain't that hard
Check it out

Time stood still as he thought to himself,
"This reminds me of a beer commercial back in the day"
She's too young to be her mother
"Would you care to join in?"
She was butt naked under her coat
He was amazed at the second wind kickin' in
Thinkin' 'bout the fact that he almost didn't go to the club
Woulda been wack
If he missed out on the greatest love of his life
Imagine if he stayed home with his wife
Cuz girl two,
Yo her body made the 'tender look like a fender bender
The three of them together turned the bed to a blender
He left like five hours later with a permanent ???
And feels he will ever remember

[Talking]
C'mon J,
There's no way my man got laid quite like that
It just don't happen
It's like a porno or somethin'
And what about his wife?
She didn't even say nothin'?
She didn't page him?

[Chorus]

Time stood still as he thought to himself,
"This reminds me of a beer commercial back in the day"
She's too young to be her mother, so he asked, "How you doin'?"
She said "Eww! It smells like somebody been screwin'!
I hope it wasn't y'all"
Then she started laughin'
He said "What's so funny?"
She said "You don't know the half"
She was starin' at the joint with a fucked-up smile
She said "I can come back if you gon' be here for awhile
But between me and you, and my roommate too
What I'm 'bout to say might just be a little snafu in your plans
She used to be a dude!" (Yeah, how's that for a plot twist)
He asked the 'tender was it true
She said "Shit, I told you last night, my man, I thought you knew"

[Talking]
Ewww, shit! (Hahaha)
For real? (Yeah, man)
Uh uh, man you're sick (Hahaha)
For real? You got dat homie, I'm out
if you don't dig that, i've got more great lyrics for you to check out. and there was a thread made awhile back about rap mixtapes for people who don't like rap. check out some of the suggsetions, they're really good
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:24 AM   #35 (permalink)
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i look at aesop rock as the bob dylan of this generation..
he really is an amazing poet
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:13 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I can't stand most rap - but then again I am getting a bit old. I'm a 80's kid. I think I'll go and listern to some proper music by great artists like Wham, Bros, Milli Vanilli,Culture Club. Actually thinking about it rap is not as bad a I first thought !
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:15 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Ever heard of Brother Ali? Listen to his album - Shadows on the Sun - and get back to me about lyrics meaning nothing.

His album contains no non-passionate sex (in fact he passes on it), while there is some violence (2 fist fights, one he started against a guy who was beating his child and wife, and the other he didn't start) and one drive-by (which he was not involved in), and no drug use.

Also try The Lifesavas - Spirit in Stone.

You rap haters always say the same thing. Why don't you try looking under the radar? J5, The Roots, Dilated Peoples, Common, Taleb Kweli, Mos Def and the like are only the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of underground acts that I don't like, that doesn't mean they suck.

Or have you ever thought that maybe *gasp* rap isn't for you? I don't like country, polka, emo music, and death metal or whatever it's called, that doesn't mean every artist in those genres sucks.
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:21 PM   #38 (permalink)
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i said ive seen j5, the roots, kweli, and dialated peoples

and yea rap isnt for me, thats why its the i hate rap post, not the rap sucks post
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:44 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Well obviously some rappers have actual talent. As you said in your post, you hate it underground and aboveground.

So far all i see are generalizations, and your dislike of certain groups because they're popular.

Listen to the 2 albums in my first post, and then form an opinion about rap.
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Old 04-24-2004, 05:43 PM   #40 (permalink)
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i'm not sure what makes the lyrics for 2pac's "changes" unique. well, i mean, it' a great song, great message too (btw, changes is essentially i wonder if heaven got a ghetto with a different beat, i think), but there a lot of other rap songs that aren't stews of random shit that pertain to a theme. outside of outkast and outside of changes.

and as for the guy who used master p as an example, if all rap were like master p, i would back you up 100%. thankfully it isn't, though i don't really like ICP at all. i'll go with you on the Saul Williams though, he's cool.
Perhapps I should revise my statment then. How about "That is where most gangster rappers lose me", as it's the gangster rap that is what drove me away from listening to rapp in the first place. Well, that and one of my friends turned me onto heavy metal back in the day.
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