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Old 01-08-2007, 05:11 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Hasn't Paul become widely recognized as a "pervert"?
There's a marvelous cathedral in St. Paul, MN. I've taken the kids there many times to look at the statues. What would the muslims think?
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:31 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Is this an appropriate thread to examine if Jesus even existed?

I ask that because I dont want to offend anyone, but I would be interested to hear from someone that can point to sources other than the Bible to gain some knowledge about Jesus.
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Old 01-08-2007, 10:54 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I learned those definitions of inerrancy and infallibility as particular to views of scriptural authority, so I'm not at all surprised that they apply differently in different contexts. However, I tend to assume a greater commonality of definition than is generally the case, so I'm a bit surprised at the latter . The point I was trying to make was simply that the view of scripture you cite is in fact a fairly typical view for most evangelical Christians (a group distinct from fundamentalists, but generally fairly conservative and sometimes lumped in with them).

As far as the last paragraph, what I mean is that it is typical of Christian writers, even those who believe that the Bible is neither infallible nor inerrant, to give the work more respect than it would give any other book. For example, I have a lot of respect for Michel Foucault, and take his work fairly seriously. But I'm perfectly willing to substitute my judgment for his where it seems he's wrong. When it comes to scripture, I'm much less willing to do this, unless it seems very clear that something's just plain wrong (see, for example, Paul's view of the relative value of marriage vs. celibacy.)

Thanks for the clarifications, asaris.

I'll just agree to share your definitions or inerrancy and infallability, which I personally am fine with, and let my brother and others take the "typical" view.
As for giving the authors of scripture the benefit of the doubt, I do that also, but consider it an act of faith. The analogy of Foucault, a much published and respected philosopher and social critic, but only one man whose works span approximately 30 years, doesn't seem to apply in the case of the books of the Bible, which were written by many persons under varied circumstances, over a span of many hundreds of years.
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:20 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Inerrancy and infallibility are pompous and boring. I'd go so far as to assert that they don't exist, or if they do they don't for long. Culture is fluid and whatever is static fades.
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