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Old 06-18-2003, 06:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Clone sex

Possibly a silly question for some, but if you start to think about it....it can get pretty mind exploding.

If a woman or a man clones her/himself... and proceeds to basically have sex with her/his clone... would she/he be a lesbian/gay? or just would she/he be masturbating?


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Old 06-18-2003, 07:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I thought you were going to go somewhere more intelligent with that Shokan. I think the more mind boggling thought would be if I as a male made a female clone of myself, then proceeded to have offspring, how would their traits differ. Would we find genetic anomalies that neither parent had, or would we be exactly alike yet again.

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Old 06-18-2003, 07:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Masterbating....but it would be thoroughly disturbing.
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Old 06-18-2003, 07:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Better yet. If you went one year into the past and had sex with yourself would THAT be masterbating? Or even more so.. if you went back to yourself at 17 and had sex with yourself would it be consenting?
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Old 06-18-2003, 07:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Better yet. If you went one year into the past and had sex with yourself would THAT be masterbating? Or even more so.. if you went back to yourself at 17 and had sex with yourself would it be consenting?
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Old 06-18-2003, 08:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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please consider the following (all science aside):

hot chick clones herself, and her clone starts to eat her out. this is not masterbation because the clone is giving the pleasure the hot chick isn't doing it to her actual self.

now if the hot chick and the clone could both feel the same thing and they have sex with each other, then it would be masterbation because the pleasure they give to each other they actaull feel as if it was to themself.
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Old 06-18-2003, 08:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This would could only be thought of if you think your clone would exactly like you in every way including personality. It's pretty much twins having sex with each other
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Old 06-18-2003, 09:11 PM   #8 (permalink)
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please consider the following (all science aside):

hot chick clones herself, and her clone starts to eat her out. this is not masterbation because the clone is giving the pleasure the hot chick isn't doing it to her actual self.

now if the hot chick and the clone could both feel the same thing and they have sex with each other, then it would be masterbation because the pleasure they give to each other they actaull feel as if it was to themself.
What if they are 69ing? Eh eh. And on that note. This thread should PROBABLY go to tilted nonsense because thats the way its going (or has gone..) I should be a moderator if just for the fact that I am such a damn stickler for putting threads in the right forums.
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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This would could only be thought of if you think your clone would exactly like you in every way including personality. It's pretty much twins having sex with each other
I'd have to agree with that. However, if you were to go into the future and have sex with your future self, you would then be proactively masturbating?
What if you killed your past/future self? Murder or suicide?
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Old 06-19-2003, 03:31 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I thought you were going to go somewhere more intelligent with that Shokan. I think the more mind boggling thought would be if I as a male made a female clone of myself, then proceeded to have offspring, how would their traits differ. Would we find genetic anomalies that neither parent had, or would we be exactly alike yet again.

Also, Mitch Hedberg is funny.
The offspring would more than likely have many differences from the parents. How do parents with Brown hair end up with a kid with Blond hair? the genetic code for all the past parents, grandparents, etc. is still in our code. It's all a matter of which code comes up as dominate. Kids end up with their own genetic code as well and their own features. Now if you are from a certain race that has only black hair or a certain color skin and you mate with someone of the same race then the genetic code from blond hair isn't even in there and the offspring will not have the blond hair genetic code either but otherwise - It's all a guess as to what the offspring would look like. Probably there would be more similarities between the parents and the child than usual but not all would be exactly alike. Also I believe there would be a greater chance of deformities. That is the reason that close family relatives are discouraged from mating. Personally I know 1st cousins who married and their child was a hemopheliac (sp?). The genetic code for hemophelia (?) was there but it didn't become dominant until it was matched with a similar genetic code that had it as well. Then it showed up. In my family there is the genetic code for anadoncia (toothless). I have only one baby tooth and the rest are normal. More than likely if I were to mate with my brother who has it slightly more severely than I do we could potentially come up with offspring that were toothless or even hairless and nailness. Just had to take that thought and run with it. Thanks

As for the original question here. I think it would be gay/lesbo sex if you were with your clone of the same sex. Personally I believe that everyone has their own soul. Your clone although created from your genetic code would not have all the same features as you even and would definately have their own personality and be a separate entity.
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Old 06-19-2003, 06:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Clone sex

As for the original question here. I think it would be gay/lesbo sex if you were with your clone of the same sex. Personally I believe that everyone has their own soul. Your clone although created from your genetic code would not have all the same features as you even and would definately have their own personality and be a separate entity. [/B][/QUOTE]

I totaly dissagree. I believe that if you make a clone the make up would be the exact same, its mannerism would be the same as you. You would be in two separat bodys yes.. but you would be the same people. I think if you were to have sex with your clone you would feel the plesure of them and yourself at the same time.
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Old 06-19-2003, 07:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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if you killed yourself you'd be stuck if you killed your past you wouldn't exist in the future to go back and kill yourself
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Old 06-19-2003, 08:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Clone sex

I totaly dissagree. I believe that if you make a clone the make up would be the exact same, its mannerism would be the same as you. You would be in two separat bodys yes.. but you would be the same people. I think if you were to have sex with your clone you would feel the plesure of them and yourself at the same time. [/B][/QUOTE]

lol What kindof cloning are you thinking of? The cloning that can be done today is done using the genetic code of the donor to make the clone. The cat they made that was in the news was really nothing like the original. It had it's own personality and looks. What kind of cloning technology do you have that does makes a duplicate? A Copy machine?
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Old 06-19-2003, 09:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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The only way that could even be possible would be if your clone was raised the EXACT same way as you with all the same experieces you had at the same times with all the exact same people and just happend to have the same personality as you
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Old 06-19-2003, 01:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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hey, i said, all science aside....
lol but yea it's twins haveing sex for the most part
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Old 06-19-2003, 04:55 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Back to the hot chick cloned and eating her clone or vice versa out. Can we see that?
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Old 06-19-2003, 09:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I guess that the only way we could truly figure out whether it would be masturbation or homosexuality would be to decide how we are going to determine identity. Is identity determined by the genes, chemical make-up and physical traits or is it determined by our minds, souls and thoughts.

One test that could be used to determine which identity we're using would be to ask what would this question: A man and a woman are able to trade bodies for a day and they proceed to have sex with each other in the different bodies. Would that sex be considered heterosexual because two bodies of the opposite sex are partaking in sex, homosexual because the actual identities of the individuals retain their sexuality and thus are having sex with a member of the same sex or simply masturbation because their minds are pleasing their bodies?
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Old 06-19-2003, 10:47 PM   #18 (permalink)
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One test that could be used to determine which identity we're using would be to ask what would this question: A man and a woman are able to trade bodies for a day and they proceed to have sex with each other in the different bodies. Would that sex be considered heterosexual because two bodies of the opposite sex are partaking in sex, homosexual because the actual identities of the individuals retain their sexuality and thus are having sex with a member of the same sex or simply masturbation because their minds are pleasing their bodies?
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Old 06-20-2003, 07:55 AM   #19 (permalink)
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if two clones procreate...is the offspring a clone? freak? an abhoration of science?
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Old 06-20-2003, 12:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
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if i could clone a female version of me, and she ended up being hot, I'd hit it. But it seems to me like it would be like kicking it with a very life-like sex doll.
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Old 06-20-2003, 12:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2003, 03:06 PM   #22 (permalink)
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People, people people, whatever you have seen about "clones" in the movies is blatantly incorrect. Cloning is simply another form of reproduction, albeit asexual. Your clone is NOT you.

You clone remains, in essence your child. the only thing is that, his genetic material is made up soley of your genetic material (an exact copy) as opposed to being made of a mix of your and your partner's genetic material.

So sex with your clone is homosexuality. Unconsentual sex is rape, and sex with your clone before its 18th birthday is child abuse.

Edit: Also bear in mind, a clone would not be the same age as you. Many people seem to, rather bizzarely, fail to remember this!
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Old 06-20-2003, 04:16 PM   #23 (permalink)
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All fun killing real science aside. I would think a female version of yourself would be too much like a sister to consider anything of this nature. As for a clone of myself at my current age... I'd say its homosexual and incest both so no go.
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Old 06-23-2003, 11:29 AM   #24 (permalink)
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since a clone is only as similar as the genetics, it would be no difrent then if 2 identical twins did it, some people think that a clone is the exact copy, when it is not even simple things such as fingerprints are difrent. further it is lifes experiances that shape the mind, genetics are only a part of it. further, the clone would start as a child and have to grow to adult hood, makien you much older...
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Old 06-23-2003, 11:46 AM   #25 (permalink)
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If there was a way to perserve exact memories and thoughts/data and transfer them to your clone then he/she would be you entirely, if not, simply you have a "look-alike".
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Old 06-23-2003, 07:52 PM   #26 (permalink)
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People, people people, whatever you have seen about "clones" in the movies is blatantly incorrect. Cloning is simply another form of reproduction, albeit asexual. Your clone is NOT you.
CSfilm, exactly. Technology today might allow you to make a clone of yourself, but it's age would start counting the day it was born.
Going back to the original post, suppose you could make a clone copy of yourself. Somehow make it age quickly after it was born to match your age. All you would have is an identical twin of yourself. I have an identical twin brother. He looks similar to me, not exactly like me, just very close. We have vastly different personalities. A clone of yourself would be no more like you than a brother or sister, so it becomes incest.
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Old 06-27-2003, 01:35 PM   #27 (permalink)
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i was just joking about hitting it. No one would want to clone me anyhow. But when I die, my wife wants me stuffed and mounted!
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Old 06-29-2003, 07:16 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Damn this is an interesting thread. I wouldnt call it masturbation because I think that the difference in personality would constitute enough of a difference to make them seperate beings. Personally, I would kill any clone made of myself because I know he would be thinking the same thing.
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Old 07-05-2003, 10:04 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to ever think of such a thing. Perhaps I'm not so strange afterall.

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Old 07-06-2003, 01:18 PM   #30 (permalink)
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masturbation is when you are in direct control of the sexual stimulation you experience. Even if the clone is exactly like you in every way it's still a different person. It would only be masturbation if you were in complete control of his/her motor functions.
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Old 07-06-2003, 03:11 PM   #31 (permalink)
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it wouldn't be masturbation, it'd just be having sex with someone who looks exactly like you.
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Old 07-06-2003, 07:41 PM   #32 (permalink)
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from a religous stand point, if two clones produced a child would the child be normal or have a soul. or do the clones themselves have souls. it's an interesting thought. maybe cloning clones everything, physical and spiritual. kinda like man made twins after birth. the child would therefore be like any other child.

this could go on and on forever
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Old 07-06-2003, 07:49 PM   #33 (permalink)
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This brings up a question though.. would you fuck your clone(assuming it was the opposite gender or the same gender depending on your sexual orientation)?
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Old 07-06-2003, 09:15 PM   #34 (permalink)
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im more interested what their offspring would look like... then again two of the same sex cant have offspring.....
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