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Old 07-09-2003, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Global capital is everywhere, for good or for bad. I don't want to muddle through the question of it being a positive or negative force in the world. The question is, where in the world are spaces where change could be located? 15 years ago we the US was in a knock-down all-out struggle against Communism. After that fight, is Communism/Socialism/Marxism or even just anti-capitalism possible?
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Old 07-10-2003, 12:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I highly doubt that such a thing could exist, at least in a larger governmental body. Nearly everybody is greedy, thus capitalism thrives. Perhaps pockets of capatalistic resistance could be created and maintained on a smaller scale. Besides, if it started to spread (however unlikely) the US would just crush it, calling it a terrorist state.
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Old 07-10-2003, 02:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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purely politically, we (the US) seem to think that anything non-Democratic is morally evil and should be crushed. so, till we get some more.. hmm... tolerent? goverment personell... well, everyone else is gonna have a hard time of it.
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Old 07-10-2003, 06:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Socialism does not mean non-democratic, people... socialism is an economic term, while democracy is political. One can have a democratic socialist state, and actually *mean* it.

It just so happens that the more extreme forms of socialism (communism, for example) lead to too much centralization of power, which naturally leads to dictatorships.
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Old 07-13-2003, 09:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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When dealing with any widescale social overhaul, particularly those of the economic nature, one has to anticipate a fair amount of resistance, regardless of how noble or esteemed the cause may be.

In this instance, to do away with capitalism would, ideally, be akin to wiping the board clean and starting from scratch. Realistically, however, the casualties left in the wake of such a fundamental shift would be considerate. For this reason, amidst numerous supporting arguments, capitalism can rest assured it has many moons remaining on its grip on North American and, subsequently, global means of living.

It's very similar to the artifical respiratory systems maintaing the lives of those who cannot do so on their own power. Sure, you're living, but to what extent? The same goes for capitalism. Sure, it's accepted, but at what cost?

About $5.99, I'd imagine. And only 39 cents extra if you'd like it super-sized.
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Old 07-14-2003, 01:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I thing the closest you might get to something remotely socialist, that's working, is Sweden with it's large welfare system. It's not a socialist country by any means, though.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Schwan, don't forget about The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, and many other Western-Europen countries...
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Schwan, don't forget about The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, and many other Western-Europen countries...
Oh, I do ralize that the have similar systems too, but I don't think any of them come close to the level set by the Swedish.
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Old 07-14-2003, 05:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It's kind of sad that the Cold War was all about opposing economic theories more than it was about opposing political theories.
I agree with you, Dragonlich, but I would correct you on one point- the centralised nature of communism makes it VULNERABLE to dictatorship, not PRONE to it.
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Old 07-19-2003, 01:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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we dont really have a problem with socialist countries last I check Uk was socialist
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Old 07-19-2003, 09:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Socialism is all around us. Just not to the extent of the U.S.S.R.

Do not forget what a mixed economy is and what capitalism is not.
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Old 07-20-2003, 08:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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About $5.99, I'd imagine. And only 39 cents extra if you'd like it super-sized.
nah it's probly more like $19.95 plus shipping and handling. but hey you get a free poster with creditcard order, or maybe they will just double your order for free....

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