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Old 05-20-2003, 07:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dreaming: more then whats in your head?

Iv been intrested in lucid dreaming and have posted here for awhile and noticed a number of other topics about dreaming and LD's. I have been intrested in lucid dreaming for a couple of years now I guess. I had succsesfully lucid dreamed only a number of times as I still suffer from trouble waking up after becoming lucid (getting much better at it now im working on it daily agian) Lately my intrest perked up in Lucid dreaming when my regular dreams took on a new acpect: Instead of feeling motionless in bed, I now am able to touch, smell, and feel the contents of my dream. I had a dream where I was running from something (i belive I was involved in a bank? robbery (my dreams are usually fragment as I have 3 to 4 a night)) and moved through a system of water tunnels to escape. I could smell the dank pipes and feel the cool temputer as my body impossibly bent and twisted to fit though the narrow spaces. I arrived in a washroom at a theater and talking to a female patron standing around I give her a kiss on the cheek. As my lips touched her face I relized I was dreaming and that I could feel the soft texture and heat of her body. I put my arm on her and pulled her around and could feel my mouth agianst her and my/her tongue. That was the first incident of many new levels of interaction. The dream ended with me running out to the parking lot and as I tried continuly to elbow in the window of a futuristic looking SUV to drive away in an older women pulled up and offered me a ride to the airport, on the trip I awakened (unimportant but the finish of that nights dreams) After reading more and more into lucid dreaming amd uncovering a mass of people which belive it can also be much more then just manifestions of ones sub-conscious. They ranged from Out of body experinces to the belief that LDs can be a gateway to meeting/exploring new being and plains outside of there own excistense. This also lead to to read some stuff on near death experiences. I have always found lucid dreaming to be safe (never had any threating sense of danger) and contained to my own subconsicous (also debatable since iv never quistioned to discover if any of it is coming to me externally) I also belive that people have all these weird and bizzarre rules formed basicly around somone elses ideas. Most people intrested in OBE's have heard about "The silver thread" and also have been warned of the dangers of it. Im just curious if there are other lucid dreamers out there who have ideas/thougts and opinions on this? Id love to find out.
 
Old 05-20-2003, 07:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have had only one dream that I would consider a lucid dream. I felt as though I was awake, if I wasn't I was highly aware at the very least, and there was someone standing beside my bed. Leaning toward me it reached out. That's when I freaked. I spun around and started kicking at the thing and I was screaming. I had my back up against my wife and I was "protecting" her from whatever it was and whatever it was was not good. I shook for a couple of hours after that. Something was not right that night. I didn't sleep again that night. I don't know if it was a vivid night terror or a lucid dream, but since I was so aware of whatever was there, I tend to think that it was a lucid dream. Not the comforting feeling that everyone seems to have. I would just as soon prefer the dream of falling off a cliff to that experience ever again.
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Old 05-20-2003, 07:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Although you've prolly seen it, this FAQ helped me alot. I found that writing your dreams down on paper, however fragmented, helps lucid dreaming alot. When I first started out, i wrote down such fragmented lines as "in a cave, with a small gooey portal" and "on a dock". They eventually became several paragraphs when I could remember them better. Keep at it, and if you havent already read that FAQ.

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
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Old 05-20-2003, 08:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yes, Iv seen the faq and its one of the best out there. I have a dream journal of about 100 pages now and filling. I used to dream once or twice a waek but with a log and practice I follow 3 or 4 a night that im aware of.
 
Old 05-20-2003, 08:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Same here, I dream every night, as least 2 in one night. My progression is going nicely. Ive had 3 lucid dreams so far.
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Old 05-20-2003, 08:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've experienced lucid dreaming and also read a ton of stuff on it. Lucid dreaming for me tends to have little or no threatening feelings involved, but the dreams tend to be dark, faded, and often blurred. I also find it hard to move around sometimes.

The silver thread, if I remember correctly, is supposed to connect your astral body to your physical body, and should that thread ever break, you would end up dead. However, in my personal opinion, it is a load of BS. I take lucid dreams to be just another sort of hallucination. In reality, when you experience something like this, it's very hard to discern the difference between another "reality" and a hallucination, both being made up of electrical impulses, and since we know so little of the human brain and how it works, it is entirely possible that these electrical impulses can be interfered with in some way.
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Old 05-20-2003, 08:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Just skimmed through that faq, and I was wondering what each of you found valuable about lucid dreaming? I've only become lucid a couple times I think, and each time it seems to diminish the strength of the dream. With normal dreaming, I wake up and regardless of whether I remember the dream or not, it has a definite and significant effect on me - it dictates my mood for much of the beginning of the day. And I value that, because the dreams that I do remember seem to suggest that I'm going through some cathartic experience, but definitely one that needs to stay in the subconcious.
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Old 05-20-2003, 10:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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for me, its one of understanding myself and also to explore. Im an artist and being able to experience and create using only my thought is a rewarding and intresting experience.
 
Old 05-21-2003, 04:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't think I've ever had a lucid dream.. I didn't realize it if I did. I've only been able to recall a handful of dreams that I've had in my lifetime. I'll check out the FAQ and read a bit about it.
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Old 05-21-2003, 06:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
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For whatever it's worth, I've had many, many dreams of my own death. I've always heard you can't do that, but the earliest death dream I remember having was when I was in 2nd grade (I'm almost 43, now). I've been shot, stabbed, mangled in a car accident, fallen, etc.

Nothing permanent yet.
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Old 05-21-2003, 07:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't think its uncommon. I myself have had a vidid dream where I watched the impact of a nucleur bomb come at me in slow motion. I just felt like crying and scribled so this was it on the note pad infront of me and slumped over. I awoke after a couple minutes of motionlessness. Alot of eastern religions spend time meditating and envisioning diffrent forms of there own death to try and feel at peace.
 
Old 05-25-2003, 08:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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One of my roommates has really strange lucid dreams all the time. They almost ALWAYS involve Bears and Gorillas engaged in an endless battle against eachother and they've taken their war to the streets. They sound pretty intense:

Gorillas hanging in trees with guns, and Bears throwing grenades at the base of trees to send them teetering over. Eventually wolves come through to guard the humans who are caught in the crossfire.

I came home the other day and there were pictures cut out of National Geographic magazines of a Gorilla on one side of the doorway, and a bear on the other, facing the door as you walk in is a great picture of a pack of wolves. The frightening thing is that most of the war is being masterminded, or so he thinks, by an Alligator.

Just an anecdote about the Alligator:

When he was about six years old he had a toy Alligator made of that hard rubber that they make those types of toys out of. His cousin, 2 years older than him, walked up to him and she tore the alligator apart with her teeth right before his eyes. She chewed off the legs, the top jaw, and most of the tail. Now whenever he gives us a hardtime about trusting us with something we always have to tell him "Relax, we aren't going to eat your alligator." It gets a laugh every time.
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Old 05-26-2003, 07:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Whenever I realize that I am dreaming in a dream, I wake up rather quick. However, once I realize that I am dreaming I am able to control the happenings of what is happening much more than the more random chaotic sequences of normal dreams. Dreams affect my life very much. Whenever I have a dream that stands out from the rest, I usually spend a day or two trying to find out what it means; It is quite entertaining actually. Does anyone know of anything you can eat or drink (other than LSD or other shit like that) that will increase the frequency of your dreams or make them more... powerful?
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Old 05-26-2003, 08:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I have always dreamed this way.
Very vivid, very real.
With all of my senses coming into play.

And as I have trained my mind, I can do it at will.
Although for practical purposes
I would prefer to allow my mind to just have at it when I'm sleeping.
My mind & body regenerating at the same time.

However, I have found it nice to merge into symbolic visualizations.
This helps to comprehend ideas, creations, emotions.
The asorbtion of feelings
The manipulation of concepts.

It can be a useful tool or comfort at times.
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