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Old 05-28-2003, 07:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jesus was gay?

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Doctoral candidate: Jesus was 'gay'
Man paid thousands in public money to write controversial thesis


A doctoral candidate in Australia was paid $51,000 in public funds to research Jesus' sexuality, declaring unequivocally that the founder of Christianity was homosexual.

According to a report in the Adelaide Advertiser, Rollan McCleary, who himself is homosexual, earned $17,000 a year for three years to work on his thesis on homosexual spirituality. The grant came from the University of Queensland.

McCleary will be awarded his doctorate tomorrow and in the future hopes to make "gay spirituality" a separate academic discipline.

Besides determining the sexual orientation of Jesus, McCleary's research claims three or four of Christ's disciples also were homosexual.

"The starting point is the matter of John, who always referred to himself as Jesus' beloved disciple," McCleary told the Australian paper.

According to the Advertiser, he claims Jesus' astrological chart, clues in the Scriptures to which churches had been blind and accurate biblical translations all played a part in his conclusions.

McCleary also believes homosexuals find it easier to be Christian.

"You don't have to be gay to be Christian, but it would be easier," he told the paper.

The researcher says homosexuals are more inclined to be visionary and "open to the transcendent."

"If you assume that Christ was incarnate, there are perfect theological and mystical reasons to point to his sexuality," McCleary concluded.

McCleary says he is an Anglican and is described by the Advertiser as a "qualified reader of astrological charts."


This is some funny stuff.
Is everyoen one the planet nuts or what?
This guy can't even prove that Jesus ever lived, and somehow he came up with an idea that he's gay. This is just a little rediculous.
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Old 05-28-2003, 07:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Erm ok, whatever.

But there is pretty good proof that there was a guy named "Jesus of Nazareth" that lived about 2000 yrs ago who was tortured and crucified by the Romans in Jerusalem.

The rest is what everyone argues and fights over


edited to add:

(If I'm being 100% correct, His name was Yeshua. "Jesus" is then anglicanished version. Say "Jesus" in ancient Palistine and you would get blank stares.)
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Old 05-28-2003, 09:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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People will come up with just about anything for educational grant money. After all, when there's very little left to "rebel" against, you have to go to the extreme to get the cash. Look at the "rebel" music bands today. They're only doing what's been done before. Madonna's new "outrageous" video about American life caused less comotion than people saying that they breathe in oxygen (remember the scandal when say, "A Little Prayer" came out? Or her stage antics? It all seems ho-hum now).

Hadn't heard this one before, though.
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I just wanted to second Lebell.

The educated Jew or atheist or whatever will usually agree that there was a Jesus. Lots of evidence supporting his existence.

But whether or not he was the Son of God or a prophet or a madman is still very much a heated debate.
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That's just silly.


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Old 05-29-2003, 01:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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FYI, the adelaide advertiser is not a national newspaper here, but probably just a local one. so, i wouldnt exactly trust everything that they say =)
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Old 05-29-2003, 05:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 05-29-2003, 05:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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i'm in agreement with Lebell and Antagony...

and getting a good chuckle over WK's every unique addition to the converstaion... *examining his sudden wrist proble*

why people need to stack everything into nice, neat little boxes, regardless of whether or not the boxes make any sense or serve any purpose continues to amaze me...
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Old 05-29-2003, 06:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I always knew that people distort what the Bible says to fit what they want it to. But I think this is one of the worst I have seen. It would completly negate everything in the Bible. Soddom and Gamorah, it was destroyed for a reason.
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Old 05-29-2003, 07:14 AM   #10 (permalink)
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What I find funny is the focus on the money spend on this research. The reporter obviously feels this research shouldn't have been paid for with his tax-payers-money...

And frankly, I don't give a rat's arse about Jezus' sexual orientation. He's been dead for almost 2000 years now (if he ever lived at all), so get over it will ya?

If he was gay, he was gay; SO WHAT? Do you have to be heterosexual to say stuff about peace and love? Are only heterosexuals allowed to be messengers from a hypothetical god???
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Old 05-29-2003, 07:28 AM   #11 (permalink)
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What I find funny is the focus on the money spend on this research. The reporter obviously feels this research shouldn't have been paid for with his tax-payers-money...
What I would find funny is if some American pundit or commentator got hold of this story and, without thinking twice, started blathering on about how it's an outrage that their tax dollars are spent on this research.
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Old 05-30-2003, 05:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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What I find funny is the focus on the money spend on this research. The reporter obviously feels this research shouldn't have been paid for with his tax-payers-money...

And frankly, I don't give a rat's arse about Jezus' sexual orientation. He's been dead for almost 2000 years now (if he ever lived at all), so get over it will ya?

If he was gay, he was gay; SO WHAT? Do you have to be heterosexual to say stuff about peace and love? Are only heterosexuals allowed to be messengers from a hypothetical god???

makes a huge difference actually...

If Jesus was gay, well then whoa, christianity must approve of homosexuality!
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:43 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I can find no more poetic or intellectual opening for my post than, "What the fuck?!?" Where did this guy come from? How did Jesus become gay? This is truly a testimony to how far some people will go to achieve their fifteen minutes of fame. I want to read this guys thesis so tht I can find out where on Earth he got this absurd notion.

On the other hand, the Bible did say that Jesus was tempted in every way...
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Old 05-30-2003, 10:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
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According to the Advertiser, he claims Jesus' astrological chart, clues in the Scriptures to which churches had been blind and accurate biblical translations all played a part in his conclusions.
He was paid $51k to read his astrological chart? Because the rest seems to be, at best, pure speculation without any evidence. Wow, empirical data at its best.
This is, at best, rediculous that he was paid and claims that he has proof. When he finds something that can back up his statements that isn't speculative, then I'll read without laughing.
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Old 05-30-2003, 02:45 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I wonder if the guy who wrote this is struggling to find his sexual identity... which is o.k.... but he actually got paid for it.

Last I heard Jesus was celebant. No sex. So this one is kinda hard to debate... Easy to speculate about things where facts are hard to come by.

My girlfriend is friends with a girl who did her doctoral on sexual literature of the nineteenth century. I must say it was quite well done. I think she got a couple thousand and had to teach English 101 for the whole year though... but point is, you can pretty much do it on anything, as long as its ethical (not fabricated).
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Old 05-30-2003, 03:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Pretty whacky stuff. So the last temptation of christ went a little different. Are you sure he didn't say Jesus was a Hobo? Makes more sense. Well I guess we can all close the books on that looming question. Did anyone call the vatican yet?
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Old 05-30-2003, 04:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't think he was very happy at all.

especially considering that his message of eternal life included nincompoops like THAT guy.

I don't think I've ever USED that word "Nincompoop" before! (spelling?)
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Old 05-30-2003, 10:10 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Last I heard Jezus was a Jewish Rabbi, who are allowed to marry and have sex. It is reasonable to assume he did indeed have sex, and got some kids, in fact. He was human, after all...

And no, he was not the son of god (even if god exists) - that was decided by christian followers some 300 years after his death. I think Jezus would be pretty pissed off at these guys for ruining his message.
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Old 05-30-2003, 11:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2003, 12:42 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2003, 04:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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That's laughable. not to say that he was or wasn't Gay, nor do i feel any ill towards them, but c'mon!

"The starting point is the matter of John, who always referred to himself as Jesus' beloved disciple," McCleary told the Australian paper."

You're kidding me! that's just the view of people who think in today's society any man saying that about another man MUST be gay, because it's a social taboo, Irregardless of the fact that ever since the idea of rulers, Kings, Pharoahs, Emporers, people have been saying stuff like "My beloved ruler", out of love and respect and straight men, in past centuries WOULD kiss each other out of affection in a platonic manner. It was socially acceptable. the whole basis for their argument is retarded, it's just a bunch of bungled taboos
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Old 05-31-2003, 04:51 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2003, 05:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2003, 05:28 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The guy is from "Queensland". 'Nuff said. ;-)

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Old 06-01-2003, 01:17 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 06-01-2003, 09:36 AM   #26 (permalink)
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jesus was married to mary magdalin, as davinci pointed out in his "last supper" picture.
see for yourself : http://www.globalgallery.com/images/ny-9737.jpg
that's why the catholic church always defames her, becuase if people knew that he lived an earthly existance, they would also know that he was not the son of god. he was a prophet but he was not the embodiment of god on earth. just a man, sperm and all. jesus wasn't decleared a god until 400 years after he died by the catholic church who wanted to increase their power - how scandalous!!!! it was important that jesus not live an earthly life. and the king's templar (as seen in indiana jones) found something under solomon's temple to proove the catholic church wrong, so they payed them off, and they are still around today.
MARY MAG WAS THUS A WHORE!!!

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Old 06-06-2003, 01:19 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Christ was married to Mary Magdelene... Read the accounts closely... everywhere he was, she was... ALso, she was the last to leave him after he was crucified...
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Old 06-06-2003, 02:19 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I just finished reading a book by (ex-)Bishop John Spong detailing his theory that Paul was a homosexual. Paul writes that his 'member' does things against his will (after all, Paul was a Jew and was taught that homosexuality deserves death), and Paul has some interesting things to say about women. It's a good read, and Spong makes a good case. But it's just a theory, and Spong states it as such. The same applies to the theory that Jesus is gay. It's just a theory, and unprovable by the writings that we have. It shouldn't change your beliefs.
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Old 06-06-2003, 11:43 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Paul should be erased from the bible anyhow. I mean, the guy said he would curse anybody who preached differently from him, no matter if it was a man or an ANGEL.

Angel - "Hey, Paulie, God told me to tell you that..."

Paul - "SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!"
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Old 06-07-2003, 06:19 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Antagony and Lebell let me play a little devils advocate here. What evidence supporting his existence are you refering to? Other than biblical texts. I am un-aware of any scientif data.
Don't get me wrong I believe and I think the whole Gay thing is stupid, but I am curious as to your thought process.
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Old 06-07-2003, 11:32 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Sounds like the theory I heard about jesus being a pothead.......i dont' believe that or the gay theory but if I bring it up in front of some people....damn do i get my assed chewed out...
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