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Old 09-27-2008, 06:36 AM   #81 (permalink)
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YouTube - John McCain Says HORSESH*T During the 9/26 Debate

Did McCain really say "horseshit" under his breath in response to what Obama said?
I don't know. Either "horseshit" of "course not." Either way it was a pretty big gaff by him at the time and his staff, instead of just admitting he misspoke, claimed he knew exactly what he was talking about. Which just makes him look more crazy.
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:38 AM   #82 (permalink)
 
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I don't understand the term "jackdaw."
Ah, it's just a noisy bird... cackles a bit like a crow, at least in my mind.
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He's raising the whole cold war spectre, because he wants to be the next Regan and has to create a Russia that's a threat. He doesn't care if it's actually Russia--Iran would be fine too. But he's got to make a bad guy who's bad and who we'd never legitimize by talking to. Legitimizing them by committing billions in military adventurism, sure, but using our words??? Never.
Yeah, I caught on to the whole "I'm gonna say "Reagan" until I'm blue in the face" thing--but I just couldn't believe he was talking about that shit. I guess it's all connected, for him.

Where are our conservative TFP'ers to comment on the debate? I'm interested to hear their perspectives... probably very different from mine!
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:47 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Where are our conservative TFP'ers to comment on the debate? I'm interested to hear their perspectives... probably very different from mine!
Oh, I'm sure. Both candidates completely played to their bases, and hoped to tip some of those undecideds (I HATE the phrase "Regan Democrats"). Polling this morning seems to indicate that Obama stole some undecideds, but it wasn't real decisive. But I expect that those predisposed one direction or the other will be unswayed by the debate.
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:57 AM   #84 (permalink)
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I had a few friends over to watch.

First, I noticed how McCain would insult Obama any chance he could get.

Second, McCain just sounds like he's trying to deceive. He doesn't converse with Obama, he just absorbs what is said and gives his own version of it.

Third, Obama just looks more composed. McCain had several weird looks about him throughout the night. The awkward part is that his face can't contort correctly.
#2 is priceless. In McCain's mind, "if Pakistan doesn't agree to go after Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, then we should take them (Bin Laden/Al Qaeda) out," = "we're going to attack Pakistan." There were a few other times where McCain distorted Obama's position on the fly (he must be used to it from doing it so much in his campaign commercials), and I'm elated that Obama caught him and corrected him on the spot. I'm with ratbastid - I wish he'd made a bigger deal about the distortions.
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:04 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Only saw about 20 minutes of this - the Iran part, where McCain couldn't pronounce the Iranian president's name.

Thought they both looked a bit fake, with both vaguely resembling the Joker (Jack Nicholson version).
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:07 AM   #86 (permalink)
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I don't think Obama can go after McCain too aggressively.

McCain's issues as an angry old man are one thing, but it'd be the end of the election if Obama is ever seen to have an angry black man moment.

IMHO.

Actually, McCain's whole posturing towards Obama might be in an attempt to produce just such a moment. Disrespect (no eye contact, derisory 3rd person), Distortions and Downright lies... hoping to push Obama's temper and switch all those "middle-ground", "I'm not racist, but" types into solid McCain or not-voting types. Oh, and give the noise machine something to repeat ad nauseum for a month.

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Old 09-27-2008, 08:11 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Ah, it's just a noisy bird... cackles a bit like a crow, at least in my mind.
Ok, thought I was going to have to toss on my Romeos, hop in my rig and go for a looper to ponder the meaning.

Here's an Oregon red-neck translator to help you if that didn't make a lot of sense-

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Romeos- Specific type and band of work boots

Rig- truck, preferably diesel and preferably raised high enough a step ladder is needed to gain entry.

Looper- Drive around the neighborhood to gather your thoughts, usually with a beer in your lap.
Funny how different regions use different terms and speech.



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Yeah, I caught on to the whole "I'm gonna say "Reagan" until I'm blue in the face" thing--but I just couldn't believe he was talking about that shit. I guess it's all connected, for him.

Where are our conservative TFP'ers to comment on the debate? I'm interested to hear their perspectives... probably very different from mine!
Someone might want to mention trickle down economic hasn't worked out so well for the masses.

And TFP doesn't seem to have very many conservative members.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:33 AM   #88 (permalink)
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Someone might want to mention trickle down economic hasn't worked out so well for the masses.

And TFP doesn't seem to have very many conservative members.
This might not be the place to put it, but if there's one things that has always been universal, it's corporate greed. Give money to the rich... and that's where it stays. Otherwise they wouldn't be rich. Reaganomics is a sham, every bit as idealistic as absolute communism. I'm glad that Obama touched on that, and quickly shot down McCain's "we have the highest tax rate for corporations, so we need to pull them down" bullshit.

And I suppose it's tough being the minority - especially in a site that caters to very opinionated people.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:40 AM   #89 (permalink)
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This might not be the place to put it, but if there's one things that has always been universal, it's corporate greed. Give money to the rich... and that's where it stays. Otherwise they wouldn't be rich. Reaganomics is a sham, every bit as idealistic as absolute communism. I'm glad that Obama touched on that, and quickly shot down McCain's "we have the highest tax rate for corporations, so we need to pull them down" bullshit.
I was just saying since the first part of the debate focused on the current economic crisis I fell like Obama could have hit harder with the whole de-regulation trickle down theory BS. Seemed to me like he may have missed an opportunity.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:09 AM   #90 (permalink)
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I really liked the format of this debate. The candidates were able to take the time to make their points.

And I don't think either of them won. They explained their plan and their goals for the next administration well. Now, who you liked better might have done better in your mind, but I'm sure the other side will say their person did better. If someone 'won' it means that they had the better ideas and direction for the country. And I don't think I got that from what they said last night compared to their platforms.

I was impressed that Obama was on-board with nuclear and off-shore oil drilling. I'm not a big fan off off-shore drilling (Especially if we aren't reducing our imports by the same amount), but nuclear power and fuel life cycles need to be looked into more.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:10 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I was just saying since the first part of the debate focused on the current economic crisis I fell like Obama could have hit harder with the whole de-regulation trickle down theory BS. Seemed to me like he may have missed an opportunity.
I kept waiting for Obama to say "trickle-down". He said "bottom up" at least twice. It's long been time to call Reaganomics what it really is: corruption disguised as poor economic theory. It's the creationism of economics.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:21 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Supply-side economics can work, but cometh the good-times, you have to pay down the debt as far as possible.

Keynesian in a crash, tax-cutting and increasing spending in the good times is, was and ever will be a recipe for disaster.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:18 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Let's not forget to find a way include Haliburton in this discussion.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:31 PM   #94 (permalink)
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I kept waiting for Obama to say "trickle-down". He said "bottom up" at least twice. It's long been time to call Reaganomics what it really is: corruption disguised as poor economic theory. It's the creationism of economics.
i thought i heard trickle down once before obama said bottom up.

trickle down=they are even telling you they are pissing on you

i'm kidding, but it's a hard theory to buy into
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:31 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Let's not forget to find a way include Haliburton in this discussion.
We could go that route. But why? Haliburton was never even mentioned.


Did you watch the debate? If so, what did you think of the debate?
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:54 PM   #96 (permalink)
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IMO the elections keep getting worse as far as candidate selection. Once again there will only be two candidates (BS!!!) I wont be voting for him, but I thought Obama clearly won the debate, funny how Fox put McCain as the winner. (I do think his wife is hot- PFLMILF, and all the free beer one could ask for? Im jealous).
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:04 PM   #97 (permalink)
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IMO the elections keep getting worse as far as candidate selection. Once again there will only be two candidates (BS!!!) I wont be voting for him, but I thought Obama clearly won the debate, funny how Fox put McCain as the winner. (I do think his wife is hot- PFLMILF, and all the free beer one could ask for? Im jealous).
Ok, I'll bite... what the hell is a "PFLMILF?"
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:51 PM   #98 (permalink)
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Ok, I'll bite... what the hell is a "PFLMILF?"
soon she'll be a GILF
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Old 09-27-2008, 05:32 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I REALLY wanted Obama to call McCain out on his lies. His "That's not true", and "That's as mischaracterization of my position" was just weak. Imagine if he said, "You know, the last several weeks, I keep having this surreal experience in this campaign. I say something, and then almost immediately I hear a distorted, misquoted, twisted, 'gotcha' version of it echoed from the McCain campaign. Senator, I call on you tonight to put an end to the deception in this campaign. You are an honorable man, and the American people deserve better from their Presidential candidates."



Look in his eyes, evidently.
I thought Obama did very well. He very much earned my respect. He held his own with dignity, grace, and integrity. I loved his explanations and I was satisfied with them. McCain is just confusing and he is losing my vote more and more each day.

The debate was very well moderated and I feel like the audience came out the true winners.
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I really liked the format of this debate. The candidates were able to take the time to make their points.

And I don't think either of them won. They explained their plan and their goals for the next administration well. Now, who you liked better might have done better in your mind, but I'm sure the other side will say their person did better. If someone 'won' it means that they had the better ideas and direction for the country. And I don't think I got that from what they said last night compared to their platforms.

I was impressed that Obama was on-board with nuclear and off-shore oil drilling. I'm not a big fan off off-shore drilling (Especially if we aren't reducing our imports by the same amount), but nuclear power and fuel life cycles need to be looked into more.
Agreed. Except I felt Obama "won".
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:54 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Is there a transcript for this debate? I didn't get to see it, and as I am a little hard of hearing, a transcript would be great.
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:06 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Here you go, take your pick:

The Ticket's complete McCain-Obama debate transcript, Sept. 26, 2008 | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Transcript of presidential debate - CNN.com
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:10 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Old 09-28-2008, 11:06 AM   #105 (permalink)
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I watched, both catered to their base, Obama= more giveaways, McCain= more Bombs.

Obaman did a lot of agreeing with McCains policy on the middle east.

Who won? Depends on if you were watching through elephant shit, or jackass shit tainted glasses.
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Old 09-28-2008, 02:01 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I don't think either won big either. The debate probably did Obama some good since some of the voters who think he is an Islamic terrorist might have some reason to doubt now. Not that they would vote for him anyway but it may give them pause before trying to convince family and friends of his evil intentions. I don't think the debate did him much good with the religious right who think he is the Anti-Christ though, they probably think he is just using a smooth approach to help Satin get power.

These debates don't do much except let people see who looks presidential. The composed Obama came out on top here but because he is black and has a funny name it is probably even.
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