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dc_dux · 03-09-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

I thought he said he misspoke regarding where Obama was raised.

I was not raised in Kenya and I have an opinion on British colonialism and nations in Africa fighting for independence and self-determination. Do you have a view? Does Obama? If so, what is it? Huckabee suggests that Obama has a view but is hiding it. I think Huckabee stand by that charge.

Total rubbish.

The remarks about the Mau Mau revolution in Kenya only to be corrected by remarks about madrases in Indonesia were solely to pander to the fear (and misconceptions) that is pervasive among his base

Obama's views on British colonialism does not show up on any Americans top 10 (or 20 or 100) lists of issues of concern.

YaWhateva · 03-09-2011, 01:52 PM

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If what you suggest is true, Huckabee considers me un-American. Rather than running from the charge I would go back at him point by point. I would debate him. I don't see it as a racist issue at all, or a "not one of us" issue. Being an American means that we fought against the British for our independence. America is more aligned with Kenya on that point than with Britain. And i would shout that off the roof tops all day long - but I am not a politician.

Oh so you're saying Obama should debate with someone who makes one off remarks that make no sense. You know if he took the time to debate everyone who makes up, for lack of a better word, bullshit, Obama would have no time to do anything else and the other side of the aisle would lambaste him for not taking his job seriously. This makes absolutely no sense.

Willravel · 03-09-2011, 02:22 PM

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I get information from many sources, I even read what you write and the sources included in your posts. However, have you ever noticed the difference in how I respond to those sources and how others respond to sources outside of their normal routines? The general rule is anything not on the "approved list" is immediately dismissed regardless of content by you folks. Even you minimize the importance of "soccer moms (and dads and other youth sports and youth activities)". When I talk to people raising children in NC, I understand the perspective.

If you link to a source that we can verify is untrustworthy, then that source is untrustworthy. It has nothing to do with bias or partisanship, it has to do with no trusting liars. I don't trust liars regardless of their political beliefs and neither should you. You're welcome to post references as you see fit, but don't expect the people you're trying to convince just to take your sources at their word.

My aunt and uncle live in Fayetteville, and they're almost as far right as you are. They watch Fox News, so much so they've tried to get my grandmother who lives out here with me to watch Fox News. I don't know why you don't think your conservative peers aren't influenced by conservative media.

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I do not buy into the general concept of mass brainwashing.

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I believe the Stockholm syndrome is possible on some people but not on a mass scale. Rather than the theory you present, I think it is more about people in their day to day lives trying to make it the best they can molding political points of view on topics like offshore drilling.

How do you think Gulf Coast people are enjoying their day to day lives right now? The pollutant/dispersant Corexit is poisoning people en masse and the spilled oil is still sitting there at the Gulf floor, killing off millions of organisms. Tell me, do you and your fellow sporting parents check the foods you buy to see if they're coming from the Gulf? Have you enjoyed and shrimp lately? I ask because even if you're somehow able to compartmentalize one of the largest man-made ecological disasters in human history somehow, there are real consequences even for North Carolinians from offshore drilling that extend far beyond gas prices.

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There are risks in offshore drilling. There are risks in everything we do. I do not make the assumption that people do not understand the trade offs involved in the risks and benefits of off-shore drilling or any form of drilling.

There are different risks for everything we do. Some things are very unrisky, like making a salad in my kitchen, and some things are very risky, like hiring a blind pilot to fly me and my family to Afghanistan for the weekend. Offshore drilling is very risky and the potential consequences are clearly catastrophic.