09-18-2009, 09:18 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Conservative Media Bias
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Fox refused to air President Obama’s speech Thursday. Here’s what they covered instead. - Daily Kos TV (beta) Fox news has made a habbit of not showing mainstream presidential speeches since Obama has taken office. These are the types of speeches that were always shown when Bush was giving them. This is the not first time Fox has done this and likely will not be the last. When Bush was giving the speeches all the stations carried them. Is the myth of the liberal media bias dead? Is the new bias conservative? |
09-18-2009, 09:20 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Conservatives will always chant the "liberal media" meme as long as they can score pity points with it, but I don't believe the media has been liberal in some time. This is, however, the first time I can remember when the leading players in political media are all right-wing
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09-18-2009, 09:45 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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well first off faux news is a particular case. it is less an information outlet than a conservative political engine, a relay for conservative memes. rubert murdoch, roger ailes--this isn't rocket science. fox's business model is predicated on the existence of a considerable conservative demographic, and so they've found themselves moving from reflecting the memes-of-the-moment within a wider conservative movement to being a central player in effectively holding that movement together in the afterglow of george w bush et al. i think it's hard to overstate the importance of faux news for the right. and as much as i would like to see faux news erased off the face of the earth, murdoch's pockets are deep enough and his committment to reactionary politics seemingly deep enough that unless some basic seachange happens in what constitutes information (or until the equal time legislation is reinstated, the repeal of which is what opened the space for conservative-land to spread into the mainstream and get its arguments confused with legitimate ones), it'll be a feature in the ever-so-free corporate dominated american media-scape.
i think that the bigger question---of conservative biais in the american press across the board--is a complicated one. it think there is without question such a biais, but some of its features are not specifically conservative (for example narrowness of coverage of international events, the tendency, which has increased over the past 20 years, to simply repeat or rebroadcast pre-packaged infotainment because it's cheap and easy)--are preconditions for conservative arguments appearing to be reasonable. but it'd take some doing to make this case in a compelling way, particularly in a messageboard context, and at the moment i haven't the time to undertake it. maybe later. or not. who can say?
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09-18-2009, 10:22 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
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Not to mention and according to all of you: "there is no point in broadcasting it on the mouthbreather network since the viewers are all too obtuse to understand him anyway."
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09-18-2009, 10:29 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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i don't remember anyone saying anything about "the mouthbreather set"---personally i think it's pretty important to assume that most conservatives are reasonable people---that's what lets you start to think about the effects of ideology. if you assume these folk are simply stupid, then there's nothing to look at, nothing to think about because you've answered your own question (what is this about? how is this possible?) up front.
i think populist conservative ideology blinkers peoples' worlds, but it has to do so in a way that is compelling, so which does not feel like that is what is happening. it has to be an explanation of the world for a range of demographics. that this explanation is surreal is, to my mind, kinda interesting. and that an effect of buying it seems to be a blinkering of the world is both interesting and a Problem.
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09-18-2009, 10:58 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Beyond this, there was a story earlier today about how ALL the networks are refusing to run ads around legalizing medicinal marijuana.
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09-18-2009, 11:56 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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09-18-2009, 12:33 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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Here we go: ABC, CBS, Fox Censor Medical Marijuana Ads-but Pharmaceutical Ads are AoK HempNews
Here's one of the ads:
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09-18-2009, 03:23 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Networks respond to false Fox ad - Blogs from CNN.com
This "fair and balanced" nonsense from Fox is just ridiculous.
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09-18-2009, 05:46 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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I don't know a good way to find out how many speeches each president has made, but this was clearly a major policy speech, not a town hall thing. |
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09-19-2009, 07:45 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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it may well be that we (myself included here) are over-estimating the centrality of nonsense like faux news in generating the one-dimensional infotainment base that is shaping the current ultra-right mobilizations.
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and it is in itself nothing particularly new: the right copped alot of organizational approaches from the left. that's one of the main things that ralph reed brought to the xtian coalition when he became it's media director: he understood the importance of grassroots mobilization. one of the things he did was to turn evangelical churches into little political machines by encouraging them to provide services like rides to election sites for constituents. and they encouraged preachers to use the pulpit as a political space. the argument was "you don't stop being a citizen just because you're a preacher" and with that the separation of church & state was vaporized insofar as the usage of churches as political mobilization tools was concerned at least. folk underestimate ralph reed & how important he was in the refashioning of the contemporary right at the organizational level, and this process is far more powerful than any number of limbaughs. so too with net-groups, but with all the advantages and disadvantages that net-groups encounter in the process of mobilizing. for example, they narrowcast. at the same time, net mobilization isn't directed to a specific location, so it presupposes 3-space social networks that shape/make specific the reception. net mobilizations are also usually about one-dimensional infotainment, even thinner than the tv meme-circulation system it leans on. but the infrastructure is interesting. perhaps this calls for a new, concerted type of counter-action. you know, the sort of political actions that hacker types can do. not that i know any of course. merely doodling in my brain. la la la.
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09-19-2009, 08:57 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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Here is my view of what has happened.
The mainstream media may lean slightly left but if it does it is very slightly. Fox news is extreme right. Some people look at fox news as honest reporting and think it is middle of the road thus by comparison all the other media is liberally biased.... This of course is ridiculous. As the man in the video said there is a difference between reporting a news story and promoting a news story. Fox news is not a news agency at all and instead is a propaganda agency. Fox news does not report the news it filters the news. Fox should be sued for truth in advertising violations. |
09-19-2009, 09:09 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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so long as cash rules everything around me, faux news will continue.
if you want it to go away, start putting pressure on advertisers who buy time on that network at all. an organized advertiser boycott could bring it to its knees. publicizing the boycott would be tricky, in that the defense would play straight into the dividedness that has long been the faux news mainspring. us/them, our reality/their reality. but it could be done, and if it were done, it would go a long way toward redefining the space of political discourse in the united states. faux news does not report on reality as conventionally understood. faux news is part of a system that edits reality along certain assumptions. "fair and balanced" are relational terms. "fair & balanced" operate with respect to a set of structuring assumptions. so an entirely reactionary media outlet can call itself "fair & balanced" without exactly lying because they never say with respect to what. they just leave that part out. personally, i'd love to see faux news go down.
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09-21-2009, 05:30 AM | #19 (permalink) | |
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BTW, Fox asked to interview Obama this weekend and the administration refused. If it was so important for his message to be on that network, he had his chance and refused.
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09-21-2009, 07:24 AM | #21 (permalink) |
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In his first 7 months in office, Obama has done 66 T.V. news interviews. During the same time of their presidency, Bush gave 16 and Clinton gave 6. Thus, Obama has given 3 times more interviews than his two predecessors combined. In the same time period, Obama did 36 print interviews - twice as many as his predecessors combined. One more speech, one more interview is not going to change those people's minds. Let me reiterate that he was invited to do an interview on Fox this weekend and declined the request. If he isn't on that network, it's as much because he chooses not to be.
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09-21-2009, 07:33 AM | #22 (permalink) | |
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It is funny how you are some how trying to state that boycotting the media is a good thing for the people. The media is there to report the news, not filter the news nor promote the news. Since fox news both promotes stories it likes and filters stories it dislikes i'm going to say fox news is not news at all and instead is just a glorified tabloid. |
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09-21-2009, 07:55 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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what surprises me about fox is that everyone does not seem to know that it's a conservative media outlet. it's infotainment is by definition pre=chewed to slot into the political filters that the business model presupposes. so it is manifestly not a "news" outlet. it is an information stream that performs an assimilation operation, one which harmonizes it with the political viewpoints the business model assumes are held by its central demographic. i have no access to information not in the public domain, and i know the model---so it's not hard to find.
what fox's success is testimony to is the resistance to critical interaction with information that's a result of the legion failures of education to teach these skills and demonstrate their importance. information streams are assimilated wholly into a consumer space, and what is seemingly sought from it is gratification. because "markets are rational"---the circulation of money is the confirmation in this blinkered, stupid system----it is understood as reasonable that infotainment be the norm and that the providing of gratification be the aim. there are any number of gratifications, btw: that of being horrified plays to a kind of voyeurism; the gratification of being paranoid plays to a kind of narcissism (if you are personally under threat, that fact in itself confirms in a backhanded way your Importance in the World---who would bother being a threat to you if you were not Important?); images of chaos and destruction play to an affirmation of distance (you watch it from your living room--it is a form of entertainment) across which the cheap, one-dimensional emoticons of sympathy and pity can flow (providing you the gratification of performing some act of public Largesse by giving o so deeply of your one-dimensional self) dissonances play back into a consonance of Demand Structures. disruptions make more desirable the Norm of buying commodities. in this period of collapse of empire, the centrality of this Norm is the mainspring of wholesale denial. infotainment is predicated on maintenance of that Norm and the sense of continuity which underpins it. remember that "news" is an advertising delivery system that trafficks in particular types of "contact" with a "reality" that is always distant, like a movie that you watch. in this context, fox is merely a particularly obvious, particularly self-referential version of the same basic machinery that is everywhere in the dominant media. from this viewpoint, conservative biais and "liberal" are versions of the same basic machine, which is geared around you as a consumer, you who wants commodities, you who needs to feel safe in order to indulge in the rituals of Purchase. but that doesn't mean that therefore there's no difference between conservative and other forms of biais. there are differences. self-referentiality, self-confirming arguments are one indicator---more present in populist conservative ideology, slightly less elsewhere.
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09-21-2009, 08:23 AM | #24 (permalink) | |
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09-21-2009, 09:12 AM | #25 (permalink) |
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This is confusing. What would one do to "retaliate" anyways? Pass a bill that requires news networks to carry speeches?
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09-21-2009, 09:16 AM | #26 (permalink) | |
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It seems you are trying to argue that broadcasting a pre-written speech delivered before an audience with no questions will somehow better inform the people than hosting a one-on-one interview with the ability to queston, follow-up, and clarify misunderstandings. That is what Fox offered Obama, and Obama rejected it. To suggest that Fox is the only network that avoids stories or filters news to their consumers is ludicrous. The fact that you are singling out one news agency for this behavior clearly shows your bias. If it upsets you that the media is not "fair", then make the thread about the entire media filtering their news for their viewers. EVERY media outlet is failing the American people. Drop the partisanship.
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09-21-2009, 09:30 AM | #29 (permalink) | |
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Haha... Fox News = Fail
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09-21-2009, 09:39 AM | #30 (permalink) |
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Obama is justified in denying the interview to Fox News; why set himself up to have his interview picked apart, edited, and distorted to feed the network's message?
In other news, an interesting article on how (and why) Glenn Beck is different than the other right-wing TV/Radio hosts: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/op...rich.html?_r=2 |
09-21-2009, 10:03 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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So he should only appear on the network on HIS terms, a canned speech to Congress? How Hugo Chavez of you - control the press and you control the country.
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Lest we forget, Fox didn't run the speech because there have been too many speeches in primetime already and they wanted to run their regular programming for the purposes of ratings. It wasn't nefarious - they didn't see anything new coming out of the speech, the text of which was released prior to the speech, so why lose an hour of commericals for the same tired speech? Other networks have done this before and it will become increasingly more common with Obama - because he is overplaying himself.
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Please list for me the networks/newspapers which you find as "Conservative". Please list for me the networks/newspapers which you find to be "Liberal". I'd say Obama's message gets a fair distribution.
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