09-24-2003, 09:31 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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2 thirds of Iraqis say US is doing a fine job!
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...0344-5035r.htm
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 24 (UPI) -- Nearly two-thirds of Baghdad residents say the removal of Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have endured, a report said Wednesday. Despite the collapse of government and civic institutions, looting and violence and shortages of water and electricity, 67 percent of 1,178 Iraqis told a Gallup survey team within five years, their lives will be better than before the U.S.-led invasion. Too bad the liberal press wants us to think that we are hated, and that we are not making progress. The fact that Bush did the right thing, and helping the IRaqis scares the shit out of them. |
09-24-2003, 09:56 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Funny FEL when you consider that the 'liberals' bring them up and the conservatives are the first to shoot down the polls! (say on ratings, opinions, etc.)
I don't think anyone here wants to go debating polls again. |
09-24-2003, 10:00 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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The flaws with these kinds of pollings are obvious. First off, it's only among the Baghdad population. Second, this is a population that is historically prone to agreement with those in power. They have been raised to not question those in authority or risk death. Third, gallup polling mostly targets English speaking people and those with telephones. Obviously, these sorts would be in a more likely position to concede to American actions than former Iraqi.
This certainly isn't to say that Iraq isn't better off without Hussein or that the conclusions of the study are wrong. It is to say that the study is internally invalid. What's more the "liberals" problem with the action in Iraq is not that they are worse off than they were under Hussein, but rather that our president lied and our soldier died. Our government deceived us and circumvented established democratic means of action (both domestically and internationally) in removing Hussein. The problem is not so much that Iraqi freedoms are lessened because of our action, but that our nation's legitimacy and our political freedoms were.
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09-24-2003, 10:58 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Just to add to what's already been said, the title of this topic is a gross misrepresentation of the actual results of the survey.
The only real positive stat given is that 67% of Iraqis believe that "within five years, their lives will be better than before the U.S.-led invasion." The question is structured so as to illicit a positive response. Most people want to believe their lives will be better in the future, no matter what. Plus, it has absolutely nothing to do with the job the US is doing. |
09-25-2003, 02:16 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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The other third don't have a gun to their head.
badum-pssh. Thanks I'll be here all night. But seriously. Maybe the Iraqis do think that within five years their lives will improve, as maybe now the sanctions can be lifted and more foreign investment can come in. Especially without the fear of their capital being bombed in the no-fly zone. As well as perhaps in five years setting up some sort of democratic Iraqi regime. Although it seems a bit idealist that Iraq will improve greatly, but who knows.
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09-25-2003, 01:20 PM | #9 (permalink) | ||||
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Second, I think it's an extremely racist statement to say it's a population that is historically prone to agreement with those in power. It's like you are comparing these people to lemmings, mere cattle that meekly follow the one with the prod. There were many Iraqis who bravely risked death and questioned authority. Take it from me, whose home country was under military rule for decades. Just because we were raised not to question the Party does not mean we didn't. Many of us were wrongly imprisoned, or tortured, or worse, executed, but that didn't stop us. Historically prone to agreement, my arse. Just because we and my Iraqi compatriots (I refuse to say "comrades") in oppression were unable to overthrow our oppressors does not mean we agreed with them. Those under military rule don't usually suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Third, the article makes no mention that it was conducted by telephone; it was performed by a "survey team" and barring further information I think we should hold off before assuming it was conducted in English over the telephone. Quote:
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09-25-2003, 06:25 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Those who were asked, were probably asked by military people, holding m16, with 3 hummers in the background w/ .50 cal's on top, and a few tanks in the distance, wouldnt you say yes?
Either that, or its a total sham, and they are manipulating the media to get more international support, but we wouldnt do that...would we... |
09-25-2003, 11:31 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Oh, please. This is the Washington Times. They are known to be uncredible.
They count on people not realizing that it's not either the Washington Post nor the New York Times. Dirty trick, I can't believe how many people fall for it. Next?
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09-26-2003, 01:39 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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Oh sure, the Iraqi people can't possibly be happy that their former dictator has been kicked from power, and that they now *finally* have a chance to grow as a people and as a nation. They have to be be angry at Bush because he invaded their country over WMDs that obviously weren't there. Bush lied, therefore the Iraqis must prefer Saddam's Iraq over the current and future Iraq. And of course, we know exactly what's happening in Iraq, because we see the same bad news every day, which is obviously an indication that everything is going wrong there; just like the many reports of murders, robberies and racial problems are an indication of total chaos and anarchy in the USA...
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09-28-2003, 10:44 AM | #19 (permalink) | ||
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ONe thing that is fundamentally stupid with many arguments is that even is we were in Iraq for imperialistic purposes, would you disagree with USA > Saddam?
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09-29-2003, 12:59 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Its amazing how nobody really cares what the Iraqi people think. Are there any other polls? Can anyone link to a poll that refutes this so we can assume that the truth lies somewhere inbetween? Its one thing to dismiss this as BS, but until there is something to hold it up against, how can you rightfully do that? Of course, it would certainly be a disaster for a lot of people if the Iraqis are happy with being liberated. It would be even worse, if the rebuilding went smoothly. Personally, until I can weigh this against something else, I'll be optimistic and hope it is true.
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