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phredgreen · 10-17-2003, 10:29 AM

this was a pamphlet published back in 1944, its aims were obvious for the time, but it still holds a few messages that ring true. I will post one of a series of 18 installments daily, for the purpose of information and instilling thought. take what you wish from them.

2wolves · 10-17-2003, 11:27 AM

Serfs Up!

2Wolves

Phaenx · 10-17-2003, 12:57 PM

I'd gladly become a serf, they were protected by the Church from most of what my employer has me do.

Bill O'Rights · 10-17-2003, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
...they were protected by the Church from most of what my employer has me do.

Eh? Could you elaborate a little on this?

Ustwo · 10-17-2003, 03:16 PM

Ummm if you have a good job you are already worse off then a serf in that a serf gave about 33% of their labor to the lord. We are closer to slaves at 50% of our labor.

ARTelevision · 10-17-2003, 06:14 PM

these are great, phred!
thanks.

(of course, you know I don't draw any necessary conclusions from them)

The_Dude · 10-17-2003, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
I'd gladly become a serf, they were protected by the Church from most of what my employer has me do.

I'll pass on that. I like my liberties and have the freedom to do whatever I want, rather than be bound to something.

phredgreen · 10-18-2003, 12:24 AM

Macheath · 10-18-2003, 04:50 AM

Fascinating stuff. It's always interesting to see how these ideas have been presented over the years. Also interesting to see that it was published by GM.

Phaenx · 10-18-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill O'Rights
Eh? Could you elaborate a little on this?

Serfs weren't really slaves, they were protected from their owners by the church from doing horrible things like eating the souls of his customers. It was a joke, for those of you who didn't pick up on it.

HarmlessRabbit · 10-18-2003, 11:38 AM

Thanks Phred, really interesting. Funny to think too that it was GM that destroyed the public transit system in a lot of large cities in order to sell more cars.

I've got a book from the 50's that a friend gave me as a joke called FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. I need to retrieve my scanner from a friend, but I think I'll get it back and post a few pages. It's funny in a similar way.

phredgreen · 10-19-2003, 02:58 AM

XenuHubbard · 10-19-2003, 10:20 AM

Serfs paid a lot more in other places. Serfdom is one of the reasons why Northern Europe is very secular today. It's interesting that serfdom is still accepted in some cases; right now many people are trying to help Tibet to return to it's pre-China serfdom system.

As for the pics; they're funny, but I can't wait to see where they are leading. At this stage, a lot could be read into them.
Thanks Phred.

Willy · 10-20-2003, 05:51 AM

I'm really interested to see these as well. I tried to read the book once, but couldn't get into it. Glad to see it come out as a cartoon

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phredgreen · 10-20-2003, 10:29 AM

bonbonbox · 10-20-2003, 11:38 AM

I think that wars are dangerous not so much for what they are about, but ideas that come about because of them. Take federal income tax witholding for instance. Look forward to more from this series Phredgreen, thank you for posting it.

phredgreen · 10-21-2003, 08:39 AM

phredgreen · 10-23-2003, 01:18 AM

yesterday's installment...

phredgreen · 10-23-2003, 01:19 AM

and today's

phredgreen · 11-04-2003, 02:38 AM

apoligies all around to those who were reading the series, i became preoccupied with other things and let this slip. i'll continue the series with daily (i hope) updates.

Peetster · 11-04-2003, 03:58 AM

This is facinating, phred. I'll comment at the series conclusion (as if we don't know where this is going).

phredgreen · 11-06-2003, 11:11 AM

ARTelevision · 11-06-2003, 07:34 PM

I like to think it isn't going anywhere.
I appreciate the disjointedness of it.
It would be a real come-down for me if it has a point.

I wonder if it does?

losthellhound · 11-07-2003, 01:14 AM

So far I think I know where its going.. It has a post WWI Germany feel to it..

eple · 11-07-2003, 01:36 AM

I think it portrays the life and death of most empires so far.

nirol · 11-08-2003, 03:00 AM

Is there any more about the genesis of this pamphlet? The title is the same as the most famous work of Fredrich Heyeck (sp.) an Austrian economist from this period. His work was very free market and Milton Friedman was a disciple

10-17-2003, 10:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	The road to serfdom this was a pamphlet published back in 1944, its aims were obvious for the time, but it still holds a few messages that ring true. I will post one of a series of 18 installments daily, for the purpose of information and instilling thought. take what you wish from them. __________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

10-17-2003, 12:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I'd gladly become a serf, they were protected by the Church from most of what my employer has me do. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

10-17-2003, 03:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Ummm if you have a good job you are already worse off then a serf in that a serf gave about 33% of their labor to the lord. We are closer to slaves at 50% of our labor. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-17-2003, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	these are great, phred! thanks. (of course, you know I don't draw any necessary conclusions from them) __________________ create evolution

10-18-2003, 12:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	__________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

10-17-2003, 11:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Serfs Up! 2Wolves

10-18-2003, 04:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	Fascinating stuff. It's always interesting to see how these ideas have been presented over the years. Also interesting to see that it was published by GM.

10-18-2003, 11:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
HarmlessRabbit Junkie Location: San Jose, CA	Thanks Phred, really interesting. Funny to think too that it was GM that destroyed the public transit system in a lot of large cities in order to sell more cars. I've got a book from the 50's that a friend gave me as a joke called FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. I need to retrieve my scanner from a friend, but I think I'll get it back and post a few pages. It's funny in a similar way.

10-19-2003, 02:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	__________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

10-19-2003, 10:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	Serfs paid a lot more in other places. Serfdom is one of the reasons why Northern Europe is very secular today. It's interesting that serfdom is still accepted in some cases; right now many people are trying to help Tibet to return to it's pre-China serfdom system. As for the pics; they're funny, but I can't wait to see where they are leading. At this stage, a lot could be read into them. Thanks Phred. __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

10-20-2003, 05:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
Willy Insane	I'm really interested to see these as well. I tried to read the book once, but couldn't get into it. Glad to see it come out as a cartoon .

10-20-2003, 10:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	__________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

10-20-2003, 11:38 AM	#16 (permalink)
bonbonbox Banned	I think that wars are dangerous not so much for what they are about, but ideas that come about because of them. Take federal income tax witholding for instance. Look forward to more from this series Phredgreen, thank you for posting it.

10-21-2003, 08:39 AM	#17 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	__________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

10-23-2003, 01:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	yesterday's installment... __________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

11-07-2003, 01:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
losthellhound Thats MR. Muffin Face now Location: Everywhere work sends me	So far I think I know where its going.. It has a post WWI Germany feel to it.. __________________ "Life is possible only with illusions. And so, the question for the science of mental health must become an absolutely new and revolutionary one, yet one that reflects the essence of the human condition: On what level of illusion does one live?" -- Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

10-23-2003, 01:19 AM	#19 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	and today's __________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

11-04-2003, 02:38 AM	#20 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	apoligies all around to those who were reading the series, i became preoccupied with other things and let this slip. i'll continue the series with daily (i hope) updates. __________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

11-04-2003, 03:58 AM	#21 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	This is facinating, phred. I'll comment at the series conclusion (as if we don't know where this is going).

11-06-2003, 11:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	__________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

11-06-2003, 07:34 PM	#23 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	I like to think it isn't going anywhere. I appreciate the disjointedness of it. It would be a real come-down for me if it has a point. I wonder if it does? __________________ create evolution

11-07-2003, 01:36 AM	#25 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	I think it portrays the life and death of most empires so far.

11-08-2003, 03:00 AM	#26 (permalink)
nirol Crazy Location: South East US	Is there any more about the genesis of this pamphlet? The title is the same as the most famous work of Fredrich Heyeck (sp.) an Austrian economist from this period. His work was very free market and Milton Friedman was a disciple __________________ 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)