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Old 01-20-2004, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dean Wigs Out

Well, one example of the power of the media. It caught this spectacle, and now well see the inevitable.

Harkin starts off, Dean comes in at about 5:55.

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1.) Open RealPlayer
2.) Go to File->Open Location
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rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04011904_dean.rm

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Dean reaction (audio)
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Can you give a synopsis? I don't have speakers and the video thing doesn't work with my firewall here at work.
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Dean goes nuts and lists every state in the union, then he shrieks like a pre-pubescent boy.
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Dean goes nuts and lists every state in the union, then he shrieks like a pre-pubescent boy.
I heard this over the BBC World Service this morning after I hit snooze on my alarm. I had a nightmare he was standing at the end of my bed screaming his ass off. By the time he gets to "Michigan" I woke up in a cold sweat. It was terrifying.
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I don't care for the man, but why is this a big deal?
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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BLEEARRGGHH!!!

Seriously though, talk about the pundits dropping the ball - if Iowa shows anything, it shows that there is no clear front-runner.
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:23 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, i don't get why there was soooooo much attention to dean after he came in 3rd. I mean, they BARELY covered anything Kerry or edwards did, but Dean was everywhere...Is it that unusual that a pundit would be happy that he placed 3rd. He was right, though, last year, he would have been shocked to place 3rd in Iowa, so he did and he's happy. Big deal...not exactly front page news items, ya know...

The one thing that did scare me is that there was no really clear winner. People normally only do that if they don't really like any candidate, Bush vs Gore, etc..So yeah, there really is no front runner..
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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After South Carolina you will know who the frontrunner is. New Hampshire might hint at it but we gotta see who is going to take the southern states. Edwards will be the one to beat down there.
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The one thing that did scare me is that there was no really clear winner. People normally only do that if they don't really like any candidate, Bush vs Gore, etc..So yeah, there really is no front runner..
The turnout was double what it was in 2000, and almost beat the record set in '88. So obviously Democrats are energized about this election, even if they haven't yet decided on one Democrat to represent them.
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Goodness.

That was exuberant.
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:47 AM   #11 (permalink)
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What this does show though, with no clear front runner, is that this primary will extend out for a long time. And the media will eat it up, there will be no end to the coverage they extend to it. That means that by and large, they will ignore Bush and be giving the democrats maximum exposure time.
And in the end, the eventual nominee will be battle tested and ready to take on anything Roverer can throw at him.
I am pulling for Dean still, I do think that he needs to soften out some edges of course, but I think his message and ideas are the best of the bunch. And behind all that you see in that video is really passion to get some change in this country, and I can respect that.
Anyway, whoever emergest from this contest, be it Dean, Kerry, Edwards or Clark. I can enthusiastically support him. I am very happy with this primary and feel any one of them carries a valid message that can get him elected.
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Old 01-20-2004, 01:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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We will not give up speech

Here Is a video I recorded yesterday of Ron Reagan Jr. on HardBall speaking about Deans "We will not give up speech".

Video Is 14.53MB
Ron Reagan Jr. On HardBall
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Old 01-20-2004, 01:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Reminded me of James Brown's "Living in America" for some reason...
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Old 01-20-2004, 02:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: We will not give up speech

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Here Is a video I recorded yesterday of Ron Reagan Jr. on HardBall speaking about Deans "We will not give up speech".

Video Is 14.53MB
Ron Reagan Jr. On HardBall
That was a great analysis, man. Thanks for putting it up!
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Old 01-20-2004, 02:39 PM   #15 (permalink)
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There's also a short audio clip of it (the yell of (what ever you want it to be) at the end of it is the best)

http://www.drudgereport.com/dean.mp3
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Old 01-20-2004, 05:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If he was trying to escape the image of being an angry candidate, this didn't help at all.
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Old 01-20-2004, 05:31 PM   #17 (permalink)
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When I first heard it I didn't think it would hurt him very badly.

Now that I hear what the non-political radio people are saying about it, my guess is it will change the minds of a lot of people who were thinking Dean but not sure.
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:26 PM   #18 (permalink)
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That scream cracks me up. I finally caught it on the Daily Show, and I've finally turned on Dean completely. Mind you, I think he'd make a good president, but he's a wierd dude.
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Old 01-21-2004, 06:12 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I finally saw it last night. Weird, yep. Significant, nope. He was enthusiastic in a rallying the troops sort of way. It doesn't help with the perception of him being angry or wild but it's a double edged sword. Those most up in arms over his "anger" aren't going to vote for him anyway. His core supporters are attracted by this "anger" since it voices their feelings. Those in between will probably be evenly split by his rant so in itseld it won't do any harm.

Now, the harm could come from all the jokes that are coming from it. Jay Leno, the Daily Show, commentators, etc who are now dismissing him may have an impact. The last thing a campaign needs is negative attention right after it was upset in a caucus.
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Old 01-21-2004, 06:32 AM   #20 (permalink)
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You know, what it probrably is, is he was in a large room with many people. That brought the volume up. If any of you have been to a concert you know that afterwards you speak a bit louder because you can hardly hear yourself because your ears are ringing. So that's why he sounded a bit shrill. And the bad "Yeah!" at the end? His voice was hoarse and it gave out on him.

The guy has passion.

If he wins NH, which is still highly likely, the jokes about the speech will stop.
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Old 01-21-2004, 07:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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If he wins NH, which is still highly likely, the jokes about the speech will stop.
I hope and pray he does
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Old 01-21-2004, 07:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
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As do I. Dean will be challenging Bush in the debates, and against someone articulate and poised, Bush will look foolish.

Him and Wesley, I think would be especially effective in the debates.
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Old 01-21-2004, 08:27 AM   #23 (permalink)
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As do I. Dean will be challenging Bush in the debates, and against someone articulate and poised, Bush will look foolish.
Shouting is not a very good debate technique. Dean will be crushed like an angry bug. Its not the core dems that he will turn off but the swing voters.
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Old 01-21-2004, 09:07 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm afraid the problem with Dean is that he takes things too personally and can get sidetracked by silly critiques and ad hom attacks, instead of just ignoring them. It makes him look defensive and petty. If he can keep his cool and stay focused, he'll be great, but his track record on this so far is not great.
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Old 01-21-2004, 09:48 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I think that's the important thing about this primary. If he can make it through it, it will be because he learned to keep cool and talk intelligently under fire.
So, to me, whoever of the top 4 make it in, I will be very pleased. But I'm pulling for Dean.
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The turnout was double what it was in 2000, and almost beat the record set in '88. So obviously Democrats are energized about this election, even if they haven't yet decided on one Democrat to represent them.
If I remember correctly, and I can't find it anywhere, only about 100,000 people participated in the Democratic caucus in Iowa. I really don't understand what the view of so few people has to do with much of anything - I did find some numbers on in an AP quote which stated that Iowa has a total of over 2 million registered voters - this out of a total population of 2.9 million people. 100,000 isn't very representative for the numbers involved. If these figures are correct just how much did each vote cost? How much was spent to gain so little?
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Old 01-21-2004, 01:29 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 01-21-2004, 02:15 PM   #28 (permalink)
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If I remember correctly, and I can't find it anywhere, only about 100,000 people participated in the Democratic caucus in Iowa. I really don't understand what the view of so few people has to do with much of anything - I did find some numbers on in an AP quote which stated that Iowa has a total of over 2 million registered voters - this out of a total population of 2.9 million people. 100,000 isn't very representative for the numbers involved. If these figures are correct just how much did each vote cost? How much was spent to gain so little?
122,000 voters went to caucus this year; 60,000 in 2000; 40,000 in 1996. Turnout in primaries is generally much lower than it is in general elections, moreso with caucuses. *shrug*
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Old 01-21-2004, 03:34 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 01-22-2004, 01:47 PM   #30 (permalink)
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It wasn't that bad (well kinda) it is a rally after all. But it was damn funny.

Dean must be getting ready for his stint on Sunday Night HEAT or SmackDown!

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Old 01-22-2004, 01:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I already posted my views on this in a less-serious thread. But to summarize: what Dean did was give an old-fashioned political stump speech, a rouse-the-troops speech, for the cameras. This was a mistake because stump speeches are great if you're in the room -- it's just a pep rally -- but they look crazy on camera. Politicians stopped doing them on the TV in the early '50s for that reason; that's when pols started getting boring. Better boring than upsetting.

But they still do them when the camera's not around, or at least they did. I attended a stump speech Pres. Ford gave back in '76 to a group of well-off retirees (no televised press there), and he was so fired up that some of his spit hit the front row (and me). But he never did that on TV -- he knew better. Howard Dean made an error in judgment, but he's no weirder than the rest of them.
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Old 01-22-2004, 02:41 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Now I can eliminate one.

Lack of confidence.
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I totally agree.

Behind all the media attention it got, behind all the talk shows making jokes, behind all the bashing he's getting, I think what OshnSoul said, this new perception of him now, by the American Public, will be what defeats him. Do we want such an angry, volatile, unpredictable guy like this as President?

If you watch the video of that speech, notice the lady in the crowd behind him, on his right. As he's screaming, she's slowly shaking her head back and forth in disbelief. Multiply that reaction by the 150 million others who say it and there you have The End of Dean.

I think Im going to support him anyway; That was fun!
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