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Old 02-14-2004, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Question of Iraq

I really think the time has come to stop all the bickering...

Regardless of what either side thinks (Did Bush or Blair lie? Was there "just" cause? etc.) it is time to move on.

Let's face it, the deed is done. The US and its so-called coalition of the willing have invaded and overthrown Saddam and his administration.

It is time to shift the discussion to a more constructive one. What needs to be done to put the Iraqi's back on their feet? What steps need to be taken? What funding? Who should call the shots? What form of democracy should they have?

How we got into this situation (as galling as it is to some) is fairly moot when you start to think about the average Iraqi on the ground in Iraq.

Their world has been turned upside down (some might argue it has been turned upside down for many years now).

Am I naive in this? Perhaps. But I argue that the petty partisanism servers little purpose.

Take out your angst at the ballot box.

(of course it is easy for me as a Canadian to say this... the stakes aren't as high. But speaking as an outiside observer... sheesh)
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Old 02-20-2004, 07:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow. 27 views and not a comment.
That in itself is interesting.
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Old 02-20-2004, 07:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It is, unfortunately neccessary to take all your points into the ballot booth.
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Old 02-20-2004, 07:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Naive yes, wrong, no. The nature of politics is to bitch about a certain issue until people start thinking like you, or you piss off the other side/make the other side look bad. Either outcome is generally the goal of political chatter.
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Old 02-20-2004, 09:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree with you, the reasons we are there are in itself at the moment irrelevant. We are there, that is where we are at right now.

The reason people dont speak about what to do is, in my opinion, everyone knows we cant just back out. While you may have disagreed with the reasons to go in, only a moron would just say "get our boys out" simply because Iraq would become a petrie dish for terrorism that Afghanistan was. The US would not only be hated, but would look foolish and short-sighted.

We have two options. 1) Back out too soon, only to feed what we've been fighting, or 2) Stick in there until the job is done, no matter how many brothers/fathers/husbands come home draped in their flag.
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Old 02-20-2004, 10:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Actually I think the best goal of "political chatter" is just to state one's opinion and be done with it. I don't think it's very productive at all to repeat oneself continuously in hope of the improbable eventuality of convincing anyone else. I do not see a good reason for making anyone "look bad" or to "piss" anyone off.

I do agree with the impetus of the thread starter. Important things are best dealt with in the present.
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Old 02-20-2004, 10:22 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You cannot buy a Slurpee without encountering partisanship nowadays. It's sad how willing folks are to adopt veiwpoints they haven't given much thought to, simply because some other guy (Who makes a million and wants to rule the world) claims to support that opinion.

How many Republicans would really *LIKE* to see major health care reform, stronger environmental policy, and better education?

How many Democrats would really appreciate a safer country, less drugs readily available, and seeing a really *bad* murderer get the chair?

Partisanship forces folks to mold themselves to an ideology without considering its facets. I'm a Democrat, without doubt, and I won't apologize for it. However, I'm not going to claim folks shouldn't own guns (I've owned some, although I don't any more), the death penalty is all that "cruel and unusual" (For many murderers, they've already determined how much "cruelty" is acceptable), or that a jobless woman should continue to be jobless and living off the state simply because she didn't use a condom... 4 times.

Yet every day I fight partisan battles and make assumptions based on my Democratic standing- even as I'm aware that I am.
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Old 02-20-2004, 03:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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What's done is done, and I agree. It's time to move on and do damage control and not back out too soon. Iraq needs more stability, and until that is achieved, pulling too many troops out would be unfortunate.
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Old 02-20-2004, 09:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think it's extremely important to analyze the motives behind the war to death, or else we're doomed to repeat it. If we all have such a short term memory, what's to stop the next farce from occuring?


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