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Old 03-04-2004, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When you think there is some standard of decency they will not sink beneath... of course, they prove you wrong.

I can think of nothing more disgusting or distasteful that "President" Bush could chose to campaign on than to seek to gain political capital from the murder of 3000 people.

Once again, the American people must surely reject this man


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NEW YORK - President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign on Thursday defended commercials using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including wreckage of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about public policy and the war on terror.


Some families of the victims of the attacks are angry with Bush for airing the spots, which they called in poor taste and for the president's political gain.


"With all due respect, I just completely disagree, and I believe the vast majority of the American people will as well," Karen Hughes, a Bush campaign adviser, told "The Early Show" on CBS. "September 11th was not just a distant tragedy. It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Obviously, all of us mourn and grieve for the victims of that terrible day, but September 11 fundamentally changed our public policy in many important ways, and I think it's vital that the next president recognize that."


The first three ads, unveiled Wednesday at campaign headquarters in suburban Washington, will run on broadcast channels in about 80 markets in 18 states, most of which are expected to be critical to the election, and nationwide on select cable networks.


"It's a slap in the face of the murders of 3,000 people," Monica Gabrielle, whose husband died in the twin towers, told the New York Daily News for its Thursday editions. "It is unconscionable."


Two of the spots show the destruction at the World Trade Center and include an American flag flying amid the debris. They also feature images of firefighters working through the wreckage.


"It's as sick as people who stole things out of the place," said Firefighter Tommy Fee of Queens Rescue Squad 270. "The image of firefighters at ground zero should not be used for this stuff, for politics."


The ads do not mention Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), focusing instead on improving Bush's image after criticism by Democrats in recent months.


"I would be less offended if he showed a picture of himself in front of the Statue of Liberty," said Tom Roger, whose daughter perished on American Airlines Flight 11. "But to show the horror of 9/11 in the background, that's just some advertising agency's attempt to grab people by the throat."


Hughes said the ads are a tasteful reminder of what the country has been through the last three years.


"I can understand why some Democrats might not want the American people to remember the great leadership and strength the president and first lady Laura Bush brought to our country in the aftermath of that," she said.
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Old 03-04-2004, 01:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes the DNC can run adds with Bush pushing old ladies down the stairs, but heaven forbid we get reminded about why we are fighting the war on terror.

The democrats are TERRIFIED of this issue and will try their best to spin it as politicizing the war on terror, which ironicly, is all they have been doing since the week after 9/11.

Before 9/11 I wasn't sure about Bush, I liked him but didn't know if he was the best man for the job (I always like Chenny better). Bush showed leadership and resolve after 9/11 and I was damn glad he was our president.
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Dammit SF, you beat me to the thread. I was going to put a poll in it, but in any case...

Ustwo, gimme a break. By now you know that I fall into neither the Liberal, nor the Conservative camps. You should also know by now, that I am certainly no fan of GWB. My reasons are my own, not the Democrats or the Republicans. But, c'mon, man!! Even you have to see that it's in extremely poor taste to use film footage of that day for an election campaign. This just adds to list of reasons why I have little respect for him.
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There are a few questions people will ask about these ads eventually...

  • Did President Bush's administration have previous intelligence about the impending attacks, and were they in part responsible for not doing everything could to prevent such attacks?
  • Did the President do everything in his power to initiate a complete investigation after the attacks?
  • Is the President doing enough right now to defend our borders against another major terror attack?
  • Is Bush funding our nation's defense (firefighters/policemen/etc...) enough to be able to fully respond to another attack?


I'm not surprised about the ads at all. He was in power during the terror attacks, and so he can either ignore that responsibility, or use it to his advantage (which may backfire).

If Kerry truly wants to play hardball with Bush, he's going to have to run ads counterattacking the President's ads. For instance, he would run an ad showing how Bush has largely ignored the fallen soldiers of the war he started.
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think people have unfortunately forgotten all about 9/11. Terrorism in the publics mind is no longer a threat, people need to be reminded what happened so we are on guard to make sure it never happens again.

Here's something for you, I live in New York fuckin' City. I saw the towers fall – live in person not on CNN. I'm not offended. The NY Daily News didn't call and ask my opinion. I thought my cousin was dead (she made it out). She's not offended. The NY Daily News didn't call and ask her opinion. She said the same thing. Too many people have forgotten that WE were attacked first. Bush has one job, to make sure this nation is safe from secure so we can do things like waste time on a website looking at porn, go to baseball games and not worry about some crazy fuck blowing himself up. She used to be a uber-liberal. Now she walks around with her Bush pin on her bag. And to do that in this liberal city is pretty ballsy. I Think what did it for her, was when Bush threw out the opening pitch at the World Series. Standing out in the middle of the field with no protection when the nation is at war with fanatics was a nice move to relax the country.
The people who are all in a 'furor' over this ad, are not going to vote for Bush anyway, so what does it really matter?. End of rant.


Here are the Ad's…in case no one has seen them..
<a target=new href="http://www.georgewbush.com/TVAds/"><b>LINK</b></a>
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think people have unfortunately forgotten all about 9/11. Terrorism in the publics mind is no longer a threat, people need to be reminded what happened so we are on guard to make sure it never happens again.
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Bush has one job, to make sure this nation is safe from secure so we can do things like waste time on a website looking at porn, go to baseball games and not worry about some crazy fuck blowing himself up.


I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle, indeed.

Bush does have a job to protect this country from terrorist attacks, and the public shouldn't have to live in fear. However, the public needs to examine whether or not the President is truly doing his job to the best of his ability, and not just reminding people to live in fear because it could happen again we don't reelect him.
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Old 03-04-2004, 03:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yes the DNC can run adds with Bush pushing old ladies down the stairs, but heaven forbid we get reminded about why we are fighting the war on terror.

The democrats are TERRIFIED of this issue and will try their best to spin it as politicizing the war on terror, which ironicly, is all they have been doing since the week after 9/11.

Before 9/11 I wasn't sure about Bush, I liked him but didn't know if he was the best man for the job (I always like Chenny better). Bush showed leadership and resolve after 9/11 and I was damn glad he was our president.
I missed the dnc ads with bush pushing the old lady. Sounds like a good metaphor for what social security is going to look like when the baby boomers start qualifying for it en masse though.

I don't think the war on terror is anything the dems need to be afraid of. In fact, if there's anybody who should fear war talk it should be those responsible for our failed sortie in the desert.

As for the ad, i'm not really in a position to scream blody murder. I do think it ironic that the dems could probably use the same footage to show how the current admin dropped the ball on national security and then missappropriated 9/11 to wage a war on false pretenses. You can bet if they did that many of those who were previously dismissive of bush's use of these ads would have a hissyfit.

I guess its all in how you spin it.

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Old 03-04-2004, 11:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Forgive me if I am splitting hairs, but I have no issue with the Bush campaign referencing 9/11. It is a seminal event in U.S. history. Whether I like him or not, President Bush rose to the occation and led this country through an incredibly trying time.

What I do have an issue with is the image of a body, draped in the flag, being carried by rescuers. It is only flashed for a second, as though they thought it would be subliminal. I find it disgraceful that they would use the image of an American who lost their life to further their political fortunes. This is the same White House that (rightfully) forbade the T.V. Networks from filming the return of slain soldiers from Afganistan and Iraq. Apparently it is not permissible to record the return of deceased U.S. servicemen and women, but we can show victims of terrorism for political gain.


And Mojo I lost two good friends on 9/11 and a dear friend in the bombing on Bali so I have felt the pain of terrorism. I also have a friend who, like you, watched the towers fall. He is a staunch Republican and called me today to ask about how to get involved in Kerry's campaign after seeing the Bush ad.

This add was a mistake, but the rest of them are frankly fantastic.

And I am not trying to be a jerk, but when Bush threw out the first pitch he was wearing a bullet proof vest. I still thought it was great and inspiring but he wasn't without protection.

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Old 03-04-2004, 11:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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strange famous: i'll grant you that there is a case to be argued that President Bush shouldn't have used those images in a campaign add... but to imply that this is a new low in politics is just too dramatic for me.

mml: if someone switches presidential candidates and joins the formerly opposing campaign after viewing a single ad, i seriously doubt they would fit the description of "staunch republican." obviously, you know this person... and i don't. still, that doesn't seem very believable.

my personal opinion is that the democratic strategists know that the war on terror has been prosecuted effectively by the President and will do what they can to take the leverage he holds from this issue away from him. the whole uproar over this in light of the countless other attacks (from both sides) smacks of sanctimony and hypocrisy.
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Old 03-05-2004, 04:47 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I have always found it fascinating to watch the dems and reps slug it out, whether on the scale of all of us here, or the world stage. It all comes down to the nature of humans....honestly there is very little difference between the two.
Kerry and Bush are both dirty, and corrupt. Both have major issues of credibility and financial indescretion. And both reak of special interests.
As an independent, I will be voting for the lesser of two evils(one of the few times this statement is entirely accurate). Thus , with hesitation I give my vote to Kerry, If only to protect this country and its population from becoming pawns of corporate ownership.
I do take issue with the Bush Ad, but I will take issue with Kerry Ads as well. I am sure. And although this is indeed a new low, I am relatively resigned to a series of lows over the next eight months, on both sides.
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Old 03-05-2004, 05:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Go ahead and label me a "Bush Apologist" so you can discount my opinion, but you can not discuss or portray the last four years accurately without including the events of 9/11.

As others have said, people are already forgetting the terror generated on 9/11.

The main reason for the war on terror is 9/11.

Opponents are attacking Bush for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq which rose from 9/11 (go ahead and claim Iraq was planned before 9/11 we've heard it all before).

I am not offended in the least. The flag draped coffin is a testament to the sacrifice of firefighters, police, and ordinary citizens who gave their lives on 9/11. Overall I think it's a positive message which shows the unbelievable ability of our citizens to get the job done in the face of monumental tragedy.
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Old 03-05-2004, 05:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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There is still no justification for the post-9/11 actions. The president will not answer questions asked of him. Investigations into the tragedy are blocked...& then you go and use the images for political reasons.

People complaining have every right to complain & furthermore the administration will continue to enable them to complain until all their questions are answered.

This administration is supposed to work for us.
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Old 03-05-2004, 05:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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All politics is personal, and the firefighters are pissed:

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Resolution Calling Upon the BUSH Campaign to Pull Political Advertisements Utilizing Images of Ground Zero and Fallen Fire Fighters

Whereas, President Bush is airing advertisements in which the images of Ground Zero and Fallen Fire Fighters are utilized to promote his image as being strong on Homeland Security by trading on the heroism of those 343 FDNY members who fell during the terrorist attacks of 9/11, and

Whereas, President Bush is calling on the biggest disaster in our country’s history, and, indeed, in the history of the fire service to win sympathy for his campaign from patriotic Americans, and

Whereas, the President’s record on Fire Fighter and First Responder issues is one of failure and neglect---including: opposing the creation of a Department of Homeland Security, cutting $700 million in first responder funding from his FY 05 Budget, reducing appropriations to FIRE Act grants by $250 million, and refusing to fund the Bi-Partisan SAFER Act that would put 75,000 desperately needed new Fire Fighters on the streets of our Hometowns, therefore

Be it resolved that the IAFF Executive Board calls upon the Bush campaign to discontinue the current advertisements using the image of fallen fire fighters and Ground Zero, or any similar ads during the course of the campaign, and

Be it further resolved that President Bush apologize to the families of fire fighters killed on 9/11 for demeaning the memory of their loved ones in an attempt to curry support for his re-election.
I suppose I can't blame 'em, I'd be pissed if they come out with a campaign ad of Bush preening on the flight deck of the Enterprise.
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Old 03-05-2004, 05:43 AM   #14 (permalink)
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my personal opinion is that the democratic strategists know that the war on terror has been prosecuted effectively by the President and will do what they can to take the leverage he holds from this issue away from him. the whole uproar over this in light of the countless other attacks (from both sides) smacks of sanctimony and hypocrisy.
If you want to talk about hypocrisy, how about the fact that when John Edwards criticized the Bush campaign for exploiting 9-11, a Bush campaign spokesman said "I can't believe he said that. They are playing politics with a national tragedy." Give me a break.
It's not the fact that Bush is talking about 9-11 that bothers me and most other people. It's the fact that he's trying to exploit it for purely political reasons in a campaign ad. That's cheap and shameful and I would say the exact same thing if it was coming from the other side of the aisle.
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Old 03-05-2004, 06:03 AM   #15 (permalink)
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It's not the fact that Bush is talking about 9-11 that bothers me and most other people. It's the fact that he's trying to exploit it for purely political reasons in a campaign ad. That's cheap and shameful and I would say the exact same thing if it was coming from the other side of the aisle.
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Old 03-05-2004, 06:27 AM   #16 (permalink)
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All politics is personal, and the firefighters are pissed:



I suppose I can't blame 'em, I'd be pissed if they come out with a campaign ad of Bush preening on the flight deck of the Enterprise.
Whereas, the IAFF backs which candidate?

http://www.firefightersforkerry.com/...resolution.php
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Old 03-05-2004, 06:54 AM   #17 (permalink)
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This is such a whiney joke.

These 'adds' are not selling soap, its to determine who is the president for the next 4 years.

If democrats want to whine, thats fine, its what they do.
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Old 03-05-2004, 07:05 AM   #18 (permalink)
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All politics is personal, and the firefighters are pissed:



I suppose I can't blame 'em, I'd be pissed if they come out with a campaign ad of Bush preening on the flight deck of the Enterprise.
Laugh a Union that doesn't like Bush, thats unpossible! Next thing you will tell me is the NEA doesn't support the adds either!

I don't know firefighter union leadership, I do know firefighters, they like Bush
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Opponents are attacking Bush for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq which rose from 9/11 (go ahead and claim Iraq was planned before 9/11 we've heard it all before).
Except that its pretty clearly true. Look st the memos Paul O'Neil released and there you have it, an invasion of Iraq on the agenda of a national security meeting right after Bush takes office, long before 9/11. No one from the Bush camp has denied this, to my knowledge. In Bob Woodwrd's Bush at war using the 9/11 attacks as a pretext to launch a long-planned invasion of Iraq comes up in one of the first National Security Council meetings after the attack.

I agree that some of the imagrey in the ads is in poor taste, particularly the coffin draped in the American flag. At the same time, making 9/11, or Bush's leadership right after 9/11, off-limits is bullshit. Saying "Our country went through a trying time, and I led us through it" is not low politics, its a statement of a perfectly valid reason why we might want to reelect Bush.

Note that generally I'm in the anyone-but-Bush crowd.
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:30 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Except that its pretty clearly true. Look st the memos Paul O'Neil released and there you have it, an invasion of Iraq on the agenda of a national security meeting right after Bush takes office, long before 9/11. No one from the Bush camp has denied this, to my knowledge. In Bob Woodwrd's Bush at war using the 9/11 attacks as a pretext to launch a long-planned invasion of Iraq comes up in one of the first National Security Council meetings after the attack.

I agree that some of the imagrey in the ads is in poor taste, particularly the coffin draped in the American flag. At the same time, making 9/11, or Bush's leadership right after 9/11, off-limits is bullshit. Saying "Our country went through a trying time, and I led us through it" is not low politics, its a statement of a perfectly valid reason why we might want to reelect Bush.

Note that generally I'm in the anyone-but-Bush crowd.
Not w/out full disclosure on the tragedy. This has SIMPLY not happened.
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:33 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Not w/out full disclosure on the tragedy. This has SIMPLY not happened.
I agree that its highly ironic that Bush is highlighting his leadership during 9/11 at the same time members of his administration are refusing to testify before the 9/11 investigation committee and members of his party are trying to deny that committee more time to work.
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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mml: if someone switches presidential candidates and joins the formerly opposing campaign after viewing a single ad, i seriously doubt they would fit the description of "staunch republican." obviously, you know this person... and i don't. still, that doesn't seem very believable.


That is a fair statement, and yes he has been more and more dissatisfied with the Bush Administration as time has gone on. This was simply the final straw. He is a "Goldwater Republican" and doesn't like the excessive spending and overly religious tone of the Bush Administration.(His words, not mine)

And as far as discussing 9/11 during this election, of course we must. As I said it is an integral part of Bush's presidency and American history. Again, I do not fault him for refering to 9/11 or even showing the ruins. I fault him and his campaign for using the image of a dead body draped in a flag. I think it is in poor taste and offensive. If Kerry uses that type of imagery I will slam him as well.
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Except that its pretty clearly true. Look st the memos Paul O'Neil released and there you have it, an invasion of Iraq on the agenda of a national security meeting right after Bush takes office, long before 9/11.
There have been "plans" for an Iraq invasion since before the first gulf war. I don't doubt that it was on the agenda for meetings in the Clinton administration as well. It doesn't change the fact that the invasion would likely not have happened if not for 9/11.
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Old 03-05-2004, 11:04 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Laugh a Union that doesn't like Bush, thats unpossible! Next thing you will tell me is the NEA doesn't support the adds either!

I don't know firefighter union leadership, I do know firefighters, they like Bush
Well, they definitely don't like being called terrorists.

I guess the firefighters in your Ladder aren't having their first-responder funding cut in the FY05 budget, aren't lacking training and personnel, and don't have outdated equipment.

Must be a nice neighborhood. Have any rooms to let?
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Old 03-05-2004, 11:08 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Well, they definitely don't like being called terrorists.

I guess the firefighters in your Ladder aren't having their first-responder funding cut in the FY05 budget, are lacking training and personnel, and don't have outdated equipment.

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Old 03-05-2004, 03:03 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It happened. We know it did. It matters. It matters how the situation was handled. Many people died in Vietnam. That also is being used for political gain, and an argument could be made that Vietnam is relevant too. While distasteful, (I would not have done it had I been Bush's campaign manager) we should not pretend that it did not happen, nor that it is not relevant to the campaign.


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I kinda hope these threads don't get merged, because I there are alot of people that don't look at tilted politics very regularly, and you can usually predict what those that do will say. I'm curious what the TFP in general thinks.

edit to edit: Oh well.

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Old 03-05-2004, 03:11 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Forgive me if I am splitting hairs, but I have no issue with the Bush campaign referencing 9/11. It is a seminal event in U.S. history. Whether I like him or not, President Bush rose to the occation and led this country through an incredibly trying time.

What I do have an issue with is the image of a body, draped in the flag, being carried by rescuers. It is only flashed for a second, as though they thought it would be subliminal. I find it disgraceful that they would use the image of an American who lost their life to further their political fortunes. This is the same White House that (rightfully) forbade the T.V. Networks from filming the return of slain soldiers from Afganistan and Iraq. Apparently it is not permissible to record the return of deceased U.S. servicemen and women, but we can show victims of terrorism for political gain.
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Old 03-05-2004, 03:28 PM   #28 (permalink)
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The ads showing just a tattered flag are fine with me, obviously this was a major event that happened during the Bush administration. However, showing firefighters carrying a body out of ground zero is crossing the line and in my opinion disrespectful to those who lost loved ones on that day.
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WTC ad - short version
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Please re-elect me."
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Old 03-05-2004, 04:12 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm curious how he can reconcile his current actions with this reported earlier statement:

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"Peaceful Tomorrows and some firefighters planned to hold a news conference at the World Trade Centre site in New York yesterday to remind the President of his promise, reported last month, that he had "no ambition whatsoever to use [the September 11 attacks] as a political issue".
--http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/05/1078464644489.html
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Old 03-05-2004, 04:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The ads showing just a tattered flag are fine with me, obviously this was a major event that happened during the Bush administration. However, showing firefighters carrying a body out of ground zero is crossing the line and in my opinion disrespectful to those who lost loved ones on that day.
Yes, it's especially hard to swallow when you consider that they won't allow the filming of dead soldiers coming home from Iraq.
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Old 03-05-2004, 08:11 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I know 17 NYC firefighters personally. I have spoken to 9 of them in the last two days. None of them found the ad disgraceful or tasteless. Some of them thought that it was a reminder of what they went through and what most citizens have forgotten.

Bush was President during that fateful day. Doesn't he have the right to mention it? I'm sure past Presidents have used wars and or tragedies in their campaigns in the past. Doesn't Giuliani have the right to mention 9/11 in a book or in any speach that he is paid to speak in?

9/11 is a reality. Sometimes people are too wrapped in their own lives to remember what happened only two and half years ago. It seems to me like it happened so long ago.

I was only a few blocks away when the towers fell. I don't know if I can ever correctly explain what I saw or how I felt on 9/11.

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Old 03-05-2004, 10:17 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I can think of nothing more disgusting or distasteful that "President" Bush could chose to campaign on than to seek to gain political capital from the murder of 3000 people.

Once again, the American people must surely reject this man
I see you put president in quotes

how odd, perhaps you would rather someone be president who would have done nothing when the attack occured?

perhaps your 'democratic front runner kerry' can win over the hearts of the country with his ads on his 'vietnam' service, where more than 3000 americans died.

But then again, the world is fine when you look at it through rose glasses.
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Old 03-05-2004, 10:20 PM   #34 (permalink)
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WTC ad - short version
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"Hi, I’m George W. Bush. I was in charge of keeping America safe when THIS happened.

Please re-elect me."
the president ISNT in charge of keeping the country safe, thats what we have countless other agencies for, and they failed us, not once but twice. And if Clinton had fineshed the job in the first fucking place we wouldn't be talking about this now. But instead we get these dense ABB politics.
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Old 03-05-2004, 10:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Gentlemen,

Please keep the comments on target and OFF each other.

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Old 03-05-2004, 11:46 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I think America has turned the whole 180 degrees and started running in reverse when chance and ill luck, along with the deaths of thousands can be used to promote someone's personal standing in the social and political climate.


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However, the public needs to examine whether or not the President is truly doing his job to the best of his ability, and not just reminding people to live in fear because it could happen again we don't reelect him. [/B]
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Old 03-06-2004, 01:10 AM   #37 (permalink)
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the president ISNT in charge of keeping the country safe, thats what we have countless other agencies for, and they failed us, not once but twice. And if Clinton had fineshed the job in the first fucking place we wouldn't be talking about this now. But instead we get these dense ABB politics.
What job do you think Clinton could have "finished" that would have prevented the attack on America? Did you want him to declare war on Saudi Arabia?
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Old 03-06-2004, 05:19 AM   #38 (permalink)
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The ads showing just a tattered flag are fine with me, obviously this was a major event that happened during the Bush administration. However, showing firefighters carrying a body out of ground zero is crossing the line and in my opinion disrespectful to those who lost loved ones on that day.


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Old 03-06-2004, 06:05 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Holy Shit, the ideology on this thread is so politically motivated. It has nothing to do with the Terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, Pentagon and a third target that ended in failure after a brave fight for control of an airplane. Now, I must admit, President Bush did miss the mark on this re-election ad. He should have shown the damn planes flying into the buildings, our brothers and sisters jumping to their deaths, burnt bodies in the Pentagon, a ditch in Pennsylvania to remind us what we’re doing. The world is a dangerous place and putting our heads in the sand pretending nothing bad happens and innocent people don’t die is absurd. What ever happened to “NEVER FORGET” just 2 years later? It’s time we take off our skirts and get down to the grim business of protecting ourselves. By the way, before you pull a voting lever in November, just think who, if they had a choice, would our terrorist enemies would vote for. KIM Chong-il already endorsed Senator Kerry. Hmm, how come?
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Speaking of politically motivated ideology on this thread...
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By the way, before you pull a voting lever in November, just think who, if they had a choice, would our terrorist enemies would vote for. KIM Chong-il already endorsed Senator Kerry. Hmm, how come?
Yeah, and i hear that saddam endorsed the reagan administration. Didn't seem to hurt his election chances.
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