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Old 03-26-2004, 05:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What if Kerry is elected?

My big question is will the GOP let him do his job or will they hound him like they did Clinton or worse?

If they hound Kerry it shows they truly are not willing to work together to better the country. That power is everything to them.

Same with Bush IF he does win by a majority, the Dems. should work with him. Granted they have been pretty good with him so far by not calling him on much. And the fact the GOP runs the Congress not much they can do.

I just pray for a fair and honest election and whoever wins to do their best to make the country great again, but it takes Congress's help.
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Old 03-26-2004, 08:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, he'd have a tough act to follow no matter how you view it!
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Old 03-27-2004, 02:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Let hin do his job??????

Never in a million years. They will hound him every minute of every day like a pack of dogs after the butcher.
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Old 03-27-2004, 02:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Democrats and Republicans both care more about keeping themselves in power than helping the American people. Instead of implementing helpful productive programs, they will try to give everyone what they "want" instead of what they "need", and it will bankrupt our country.

Vote Libertarian, vote for real change.
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Old 03-27-2004, 06:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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How in the world do you figure they haven't "hounded" him on much. I posted before i'm almost tempted to vote democratic for the simple reason that I'm just frickin sick and tired of the democratic whining - i don't think i can take another 4 years of it. He hasn't caught a break since he took office. He's a "thief", "stupid" , "liar", deserter, you probably forget half of the thing democrats cried about because most if not all of them were completely baseless. The first thing i'm going to do if Kerry is elected is print up a t-shirt with his face that reads "NOT MY PRESIDENT" on it.
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Old 03-27-2004, 06:46 AM   #6 (permalink)
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what was it you guys wanted to impeach him about? Was it Enron. Whew, i could go on and on and on and on. He started a war over. He went to war to avenge daddy, oil....jesus.
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Old 03-27-2004, 07:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Seretogis has missed the point entirely. I mean, if you really want to throw away your vote to the libretarians, that is, of course, your right, but the solution to this problem is not in a third party: it's in picking a party and sticking with it, and trying to bring it to more moderate positions over time.

I have said before that the only way for a third party to gain power in the system is for it to knock off one of the existing parties, and the only way for that to happen is for one of the existing parties to become moribund (where is the Federalist convention this year? What do you think about the Whigs on the ballot?) While they wait for their chance (and, let's face it, the chance for the Libretarians will never come: Americans like laws too much, because most Americans think the law is something that other people need for good behavior) there are only two things that they can do: spoil elections and raise issues. When they do the latter, they are a vital part of the system. When they do the former, well, I don't think the Greens will go far for a very long time.

So, what this country needs is a vibrant and powerful middle. Radical moderates, if you will. Pick your party and vote in their primaries and caucuses. Pick the guy who has moderate views. Look for common sense. Olympia Snow should be much more powerful than she is, and Harvey Waxman is every bit as bad as Tom Delay.

Moderation! In all things. Especially politics.

Now, to the third party that thinks they have detected a moribund major party, bear this in mind: when you knock off the deadwood all of a sudden the other major party has a totally free hand. You must be careful when you do this and there are some very elderly Supreme Court Justices. Remember, appointment is for life, so if you come to power, you may find the bench stacked with people who's sole purpose in life is to keep you from holding that power, and it will stay that way for quite some time.

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Old 03-27-2004, 08:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 03-27-2004, 09:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't think Kerry is going to get much of a "honeymoon", unless he manages to win back one of the Houses on his coattails...
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Old 03-27-2004, 11:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
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kerry? Honeymoon??

not gonna happen at all.

seriously, he will be hounded and blocked at every turn and when he is unable to do anything at all, the republicans will herald this as democrat ineffectiveness...then they will send in an intern to give him a bj in the oval office and we know where the story goes from there...
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Old 03-27-2004, 11:08 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Maybe the terrorists will attack again and we can all rally 'round the kerry. I don't know if bush had much of a honeymoon either. Until 9/11 i think many people though of him as no more than a semi-intelligent sock monkey puppet. He got most of his cred from as a byproduct of the terrorist attacks.
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Old 03-27-2004, 01:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Maybe the terrorists will attack again and we can all rally 'round the kerry. I don't know if bush had much of a honeymoon either. Until 9/11 i think many people though of him as no more than a semi-intelligent sock monkey puppet. He got most of his cred from as a byproduct of the terrorist attacks.

There are many people for whom 9/11 didn't change that perception.

No, Kerry will not have a honeymoon, not unless the Senate switches parties and the House gets a hell of a lot closer in the election.
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Old 03-27-2004, 08:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Does anyone here believe that Kerry is going to be that much different than Bush. Do you think Gore wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq?

Bush and Kerry represent two factions of the business party.
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Old 03-27-2004, 09:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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That's so fking pathetic yet so true that I found it funny.
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Old 03-27-2004, 10:47 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Does anyone here believe that Kerry is going to be that much different than Bush. Do you think Gore wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq?
Afghanistan - probably. Iraq - no
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Does anyone here believe that Kerry is going to be that much different than Bush. Do you think Gore wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq?

Bush and Kerry represent two factions of the business party.
Of course he won't be that much different than Bush. Unless of course you count abortion rights, the environment, gay rights, gun control, health care, foreign relations, school vouchers, social security, women's rights, labor rights, etc etc etc.

Wake up. There is a difference.
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Old 03-28-2004, 07:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Does anyone here believe that Kerry is going to be that much different than Bush. Do you think Gore wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq?

Bush and Kerry represent two factions of the business party.
Huge difference....you must remember that when Bush goes, his cabinet goes as well. Ashcroft and Rummy actually run the show, while Bush plays with his toys and tries to read what they wrote(without mispronouncing the words).
Kerry has very differnt stances on many issues and will at the very least, bring a little respect back to the U.S. in the eyes of the rest of the world.

The list of offences that this administration has commited is indeed quite long as stated above(in an attempt to belittle them). But impeachment should be a last resort to keep someone from doing great harm. Should have never been attempted with Clinton, and probably too late to prevent the damage already inflicted by Bush.
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Old 03-28-2004, 02:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It will be very interesting to see what happens when Kerry takes office(). He will not get much of a honeymoon, unless he completely blows Bush out of the water. (which is doubtful) What most people don't realize is that Kerry is one of those guys in Washington who gets things done. He rarely sponsors bills, but he is a "go to" guy when you want your bill passed. He knows how to work with the opposition and within his party.

I highly doubt he will have long coattails, so congress will most likely stay Republican and we may have a great deal of gridlock and a hell of a lot of vetos unless they can figure out a way to work together (ala the Clinton years).

And whoever mention Olimpia Snow(I think it was tophat), you are right on the money. She is someone who really has the right mindset to be president. I just don't think the current wave of Republicanism is quite right for her to rise to the top. She works on issues that are important to her, not just her party.
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