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Old 05-22-2004, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 wins Cannes Film Award

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Updated: 3:28 p.m. ET May 22, 2004CANNES, France - American filmmaker Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11,” a scathing indictment of White House actions after the Sept. 11 attacks, won the top prize Saturday at the Cannes Film Festival.

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“Fahrenheit 9/11” was the first documentary to win Cannes’ prestigious Palme d’Or since Jacques Cousteau’s “The Silent World” in 1956.

“What have you done? I’m completely overwhelmed by this. Merci,” Moore said after getting a standing ovation from the Cannes crowd.

The grand prize, the festival’s second-place honor, went to South Korean filmmaker Park Chan-wook’s “Old Boy,” a blood-soaked thriller about a man out for revenge after years of inexplicable imprisonment.

Moore was momentarily flabbergasted when he took the stage to accept the award, a big difference from his fiery speech against President Bush after winning the best-documentary Academy Award for 2002’s “Bowling for Columbine.”

“You have to understand, the last time I was on an awards stage, in Hollywood, all hell broke loose,” Moore said.

The best-actress award went to Maggie Cheung for her role in “Clean” as a junkie trying to straighten out her life and regain custody of her young son after her rock-star boyfriend dies of a drug overdose.

Fourteen-year-old Yagira Yuuya was named best actor for the Japanese film “Nobody Knows,” in which he plays the eldest of four sibling raised in isolation, who must take charge of the family when their mother leaves.

The directing and writing prizes went to French filmmakers. Tony Gatlif won the directing honor for “Exiles,” his road-trip about a couple on a sensual journey from France to Algeria.

Agnes Jaoui and her romantic partner, Jean-Pierre Bacri, won the screenplay award for “Look at Me,” their study in self-image centering on an overweight young woman who feels neglected by loved ones. Jaoui and Bacri also co-star.

Sharply divided audiences
“Fahrenheit 9/11” won the top award from sharply divided Cannes moviegoers, who found a solid crop of good movies among the 19 entries in the festival’s main competition but no great ones that rose to front-runner status.

While “Fahrenheit 9/11” was well-received by Cannes audiences, many critics felt it was inferior to Moore’s Academy Award-winning documentary “Bowling for Columbine,” which earned him a special prize at Cannes in 2002.

Some critics speculated that if “Fahrenheit 9/11” won the top prize, it would be more for the film’s politics than its cinematic value.

With Moore’s customary blend of humor and horror, “Fahrenheit 9/11” accuses the Bush camp of stealing the 2000 election, overlooking terrorism warnings before Sept. 11 and fanning fears of more attacks to secure Americans’ support for the Iraq war.

Moore appears on-screen far less in “Fahrenheit 9/11” than in “Bowling for Columbine” or his other documentaries. The film relies largely on interviews, footage of U.S. soldiers and war victims in Iraq, and archival footage of Bush.

Just back in Cannes after his daughter’s college graduation in the United States, Moore dedicated the award to “my daughter and to all the children in America and Iraq and throughout the world who suffered through our actions.”

“Fahrenheit 9/11” made waves in the weeks leading up to Cannes after the Walt Disney Co. refused to let subsidiary Miramax release the film in the United States because of its political content. Miramax bosses Harvey and Bob Weinstein are negotiating to buy back the film and find another distributor, with hopes of landing it in theaters by Fourth of July weekend.

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Old 05-22-2004, 11:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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maybe it is a good film.
it is hard to tell, not being able to see it yet.
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Old 05-22-2004, 11:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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yay. i knew it would too.. just because of how gripping bowling for columbine was.
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Old 05-22-2004, 12:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I am sure that it is an award-worthy piece of fiction.
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Old 05-22-2004, 12:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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They're certainly not truthful (though annoyingly portrayed as the truth), but Moore does know how to make a good film.
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Hey, I found a typo:

“Fahrenheit 9/11” was the first "documentary" to win Cannes’ prestigious Palme d’Or since Jacques Cousteau’s “The Silent World” in 1956.
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Has anyone seen bowling for columbine? If so how was it? And did I hear right that they might not release Fahrenheit 9/11 In the U.S.? Well, I guess I should have finished reading the article at the top before I posted but I am glad I caught it before I hit Submit Reply.
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Old 05-22-2004, 02:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I am sure that it is an award-worthy piece of fiction.
I find it quite interesting that you already assume it to be full of lies, having yet to see it. While I am sure M.Moore has put his usual twist into the film, much of his earlier films were also full of dreadful facts. Some may simply wish to deny them as real, your perogative.
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Old 05-22-2004, 05:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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This article was more amusing: Moore tells Bush to watch the pretzels
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Has anyone seen bowling for columbine? If so how was it? And did I hear right that they might not release Fahrenheit 9/11 In the U.S.? Well, I guess I should have finished reading the article at the top before I posted but I am glad I caught it before I hit Submit Reply.
It was a good movie. Most people who dislike it are those who dislike Moore because he's liberal and because he so openly attacks Bush.

It'd be like if Ann Coulter made a documentary on how Bush is the most perfect president in our nation's history. Most of it would be based on facts that you could verify, however, someone somewhere could provide a theory on how or why it's wrong, yadda yadda (such is politics).

It definitely opens your eyes to certain truths about the country that you might not have realized before.

For example, local news reports generally report on nothing but murders/killings for the first half of the broadcast, which in turn makes people more afraid than they really should be. It gives this false impression that things are worse than how they actually are.

There's this certain part of the movie where he has this strange conspiracy theory that Dick Clark was (in some way) part of the reason why a 6 year old brought a gun to school and shot another child. IMO, that's just as closed minded and ridiculous as someone saying Marilyn Manson was partly at fault for Columbine.

Aside from that, it's a pretty informative (and factual) movie. Granted, someone will come along and give counter arguments against it, but that's kinda expected in politics. You just have to draw your own conclusions
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Old 05-22-2004, 06:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It was a good movie. Most people who dislike it are those who dislike Moore because he's liberal and because he so openly attacks Bush.

I could not watch this movie with my husband as he really likes Bush and probably not sit through the movie. But I would really like to see it.


It'd be like if Ann Coulter made a documentary on how Bush is the most perfect president in our nation's history. Most of it would be based on facts that you could verify, however, someone somewhere could provide a theory on how or why it's wrong, yadda yadda (such is politics).

Who is Ann Coulter? My husband has read a few books by her but we don't talk much about politics.


It definitely opens your eyes to certain truths about the country that you might not have realized before.

Is it all the truth? Everything in the movie.

There's this certain part of the movie where he has this strange conspiracy theory that Dick Clark was (in some way) part of the reason why a 6 year old brought a gun to school and shot another child. IMO, that's just as closed minded and ridiculous as someone saying Marilyn Manson was partly at fault for Columbine.

I agree with you there that is absurd.

Aside from that, it's a pretty informative (and factual) movie. Granted, someone will come along and give counter arguments against it, but that's kinda expected in politics. You just have to draw your own conclusions
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Who is Ann Coulter? My husband has read a few books by her but we don't talk much about politics.
She's a conservative journalist/author. Conservatives love her just like liberals like Moore/Al Franken/etc..

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Is it all the truth? Everything in the movie.
Not 100% sure if *everything* is the truth, but most if it I've verified as well as experienced (Detroit news reports are definitely fear-mongering media).

If you ask a conservative, they'll most likely point you to http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/, which, as I said before, is expected in politics. You present a truth, someone will present some facts to counter that truth, but in turn someone presents facts to counter THAT, etc.. a never ending cycle

I believe that most of what was presented was truthful, but I also kept in mind that there's two sides to every story.

Put it this way: he wouldn't have the fame/reputation he has if it was BS. Naturally a conservative will scoff at the film if they were to watch it.
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Old 05-22-2004, 08:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I wonder how many who bash these movies have actually seen the two? Regardless, I won't be seeing it, documentaries bore me.
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Old 05-22-2004, 09:14 PM   #14 (permalink)
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“Fahrenheit 9/11” was the first "documentary" to win Cannes’ prestigious Palme d’Or since Jacques Cousteau’s “The Silent World” in 1956.
You're the fuckin' man.

Moore's worse than Limbaugh, except Limbaugh is actually funny to listen to. Moore is just an obnoxious whiner whose material is the equivalent to having Bush's picture pinned onto a dart board. There's my opinion.
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I love Micheal Moore and his work. But whether you like him or not.... isn't not releasing a movie against the US constitution .... its called free speech I think
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I love Micheal Moore and his work. But whether you like him or not.... isn't not releasing a movie against the US constitution .... its called free speech I think
Err, no.

No one is preventing MM from releasing his movie.

It is up to him to find a distributor (which of course he will).

The US Constitution however does not FORCE anyone to distribute his movie.
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I'm looking forward to the movie. I had some problems with Bowling for Columbine, so I'm interested to see if Michael Moore has cleaned up his act factually or not.
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Then please read this.
If you look, you'll find that this has already been covered, including the fact that Moore knew a year ago that Disney didn't want to distribute his film, but he went ahead to generate publicity.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=54631

That being said, Disney is under no legal or moral obligation to distribute ANY film.
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Old 05-23-2004, 08:04 AM   #20 (permalink)
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so did this surprise anyone? I mean a bunch of hollywood liberal types get together with a bunch of frenchies and they give out an award to a "documentory" that is anti-bush. OMG I just can't believe it, it was such a surprise. Do you think anyone else even had acceptance speeches ready?
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I'm looking forward to the movie. I had some problems with Bowling for Columbine, so I'm interested to see if Michael Moore has cleaned up his act factually or not.
What problems did you have with Bowling for Columbine? I am going to get the movie and watch it tonight. I am really interested in watching it.
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I'm looking forward to the movie. I had some problems with Bowling for Columbine, so I'm interested to see if Michael Moore has cleaned up his act factually or not.
I just wanted to show you this: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

Sure, it'son his site, but it links to sources not on his site.
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I just wanted to show you this: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

Sure, it'son his site, but it links to sources not on his site.

www.bowlingfortruth.com

deals with Moore's "response" to his critics.
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I am sure that it is an award-worthy piece of fiction.
Just like BFC.
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I find it quite interesting that you already assume it to be full of lies, having yet to see it. While I am sure M.Moore has put his usual twist into the film, much of his earlier films were also full of dreadful facts. Some may simply wish to deny them as real, your perogative.
Do not confuse out-of-context statistics with facts.
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Do not confuse out-of-context statistics with facts.
I didn't, I was following the politics long before Mr. Moore made his films, and was aware of much of the "facts" without a Hollywood take. But, thanks for your concern.
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Old 05-23-2004, 02:46 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Moore's movies may not technically be documentaries, but that doesn't mean they aren't truthful or factual. They just present the facts from a biased viewpoint with significant editorializing tacked on.
I think a good comparison for Moore's work would be Fox News. Both purport to objectively tell the truth, but we all know that both selectively choose the information they present in order to push their respective agendas. They'll both occasionally even get facts wrong or present unverified stories. This doesn't mean they are liars or that there is nothing to be gained by watching them.

I think most of us here are informed enough to see Moore's films and Fox News for what they are. The problem is that there are plenty of people out there who are complteley uninformed and there is the fear that they will be unable to critically consider what they see on the screen and just take it to be the whole truth when there is usually more to the story.
I'm going to reserve judgement on this particular movie until I see it.
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Moore's movies may not technically be documentaries, but that doesn't mean they aren't truthful or factual. They just present the facts from a biased viewpoint with significant editorializing tacked on.
I think a good comparison for Moore's work would be Fox News. Both purport to objectively tell the truth, but we all know that both selectively choose the information they present in order to push their respective agendas. They'll both occasionally even get facts wrong or present unverified stories. This doesn't mean they are liars or that there is nothing to be gained by watching them.

I think most of us here are informed enough to see Moore's films and Fox News for what they are. The problem is that there are plenty of people out there who are complteley uninformed and there is the fear that they will be unable to critically consider what they see on the screen and just take it to be the whole truth when there is usually more to the story.
I'm going to reserve judgement on this particular movie until I see it.
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The problem with a comparison like that is Fox News, as well as a "liberal" network like CNN or newspaper like the Washington Post, has an obligation to report the news as fact. Any editorializing is generally done seperate from the news reports. They would lose all credebility as journalists if they purposely mixed the two.

Moore, being a filmmaker and not a journalist, doesn't have the same responsibility as a place like Fox News, and therefore can twist the facts any way he wishes to prove his point.

Despite my Republican leanings, I trust the actual news coming from the Post, or the local Baltimore Sun, or CNN, and other sources considered liberal. That's because I know they seperate the news and opinions enough to identify what is what. If Moore was able to say, "Here's the facts, now here's my opinion on what they mean," and still be entertaining, then most people would have less of a problem with him.
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I can't wait to see his new movie. Bowling for Columbine was a great movie. And sure there are haters, there always will be. Just seems to be the haters that go out of their way to make their opinion known. Seems desperate.
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I can't wait to see his new movie. Bowling for Columbine was a great movie. And sure there are haters, there always will be. Just seems to be the haters that go out of their way to make their opinion known. Seems desperate.
I, personally, laugh at the pseudo-intellectuals that beleive Mr. Moore's films are factual. ...heh... It seems as though these same people take whatever this man says as gospel. ...funny, that is exactly what Moore wants you to do.

No... ...he's not in this business to create a scene, he really wants us to know whats going on.

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Old 05-23-2004, 07:49 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I went to rent this tonight and it was rented out and due back tomorrow. So, I well have questions soon.
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I love Micheal Moore, he is the in your face, I don't care what the government thinks kinda person this world needs, Bowling For Columbine, what a masterpiece, the man gets to the bottom of things, and is usually right, which has been proven because it can't pick up a distributor, booo don't be pushed around by big brother
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I, personally, laugh at the pseudo-intellectuals that beleive Mr. Moore's films are factual. ...heh... It seems as though these same people take whatever this man says as gospel. ...funny, that is exactly what Moore wants you to do.

No... ...he's not in this business to create a scene, he really wants us to know whats going on.

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FIRST WARNING.

Keep it on topic and take out the rude comments directed at each other.
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I bet this thread will be closed by...5:48 PM CST Tuesday. Who else wants to take a guess?
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Old 05-24-2004, 03:46 AM   #38 (permalink)
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You're all idiots, and I'm the only one that's right!!!

[Just kidding!!!] Don't ZAP me moderators!!

I think that maximusveritas has a fairly mature take on all of this...its very hard, nearly impossible to find any media source capable of presenting truly objective material.

Its simply human nature to:

1. Put a personal spin on everything based on how we perceive the "truth".

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2. Look for someone else to DECIDE for us, what the real "truth" is. Otherwise, its as if we'd somehow be responsible...so its much easier to pile on someone elses "truth bandwagon".


The bottom line is: Nearly EVERYONE has THEIR OWN truths - some may find that their truths resemble others, some may not. You kind of have to judge these types of things based on how well the "artist" paints the picture, not for the content - just how well its portrayed. In that sense, MM does a fairly good job I think in painting HIS view of the world. I do not necessarily agree with him, and if you ask my more carnal opinion - I hope he explodes from eating too much - but, of course, that's just MY opinion.
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Old 05-24-2004, 04:27 AM   #39 (permalink)
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I, personally, laugh at the pseudo-intellectuals that beleive Mr. Moore's films are factual. ...heh... It seems as though these same people take whatever this man says as gospel. ...funny, that is exactly what Moore wants you to do.


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Actually, I think if you look at the posts above in support of Mr. Moore, you will see they do not consider his productions gospel. Most of the replys, admit failings in the facts and focus instead on "like" for the movies. It seems the only blanket remarks (those that are straight black and white) are from the detractors.
Personally I very much enjoyed the hot seat portrayal of Charlton Heston in "Bolwling", I hope that wasn't CGI.lol
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Old 05-24-2004, 03:22 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I won't read all the tripe above, because a kook like Moore isn't worth taking seriously, even if he didn't make up his own material.

Moore is a fraud, as evidenced in the link below:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/127ujhuf.asp
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