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Old 07-13-2004, 01:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Part of our heritage that the GOP says they want to save from the left?

Interesting article. Granted the law states Sun. but I am sure there were ways people and companies could get around this. To me this shows no regard for that commandment of taking the sabbath off and keeping it holy. I am sure that is what the writers had in mind.

Just another way of making sure the workers can't have their freedom of religion, by taking away laws guaranteeing it. And if you don't believe me ask the 7th Day Adventists who have to work Fri. night or Sat. and courts won't hear their cases (and there are quite a few, if you listen to them). (I was partially raised 7th Day Adventist, went to their church with my mother's mother and at one time followed the teachings and was told I either worked Fri. night and/or Sat. or I could find another job. And not 1 lawyer would hear the case.)

Again this shows people can pick and choose what they want from the Bible and the past, while telling everyone how the left wants to destroy it.

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Virginia Corrects Law Giving Sundays Off


By LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writers

RICHMOND, Va. - With just one dissenting vote, Virginia lawmakers corrected an embarrassing legislative mistake that gave all workers the right to take Sundays off as a day of rest.



The bill was approved 36-0 in the Senate and 79-1 in the House of Delegates. An emergency clause would make it effective as soon as Gov. Mark R. Warner signs it.

The action came at a rare special session convened by the governor to correct the blunder.

Earlier this year, Virginia lawmakers mistakenly revived a colonial-era law giving Virginia workers Sundays off if they request it and subjecting employers to criminal penalties for forcing someone to toil on the Sabbath.

The blunder alarmed a wide range of businesses with weekend or round-the-clock shifts to cover, such as factories, stores, utilities and restaurants. It was supposed to go into effect with the first weekend in July, but was blocked by judge who issued a 90-day emergency order.

"I regret the fact that we had to come back here and do this," said Sen. Frederick Quayle, sponsor of the original, faulty legislation. "I think that perhaps a lot of us have learned lessons from this on reviewing the legislation that we introduce."

The mistake occurred when legislators repealed the outdated "blue laws" that restricted trade on Sundays. The legislation inadvertently repealed a list of businesses exempt from Virginia's "day of rest" law.

The mistake slipped past legislative staff members who draft bills, legislators, the attorney general's office and Warner, who signed the bill.

Over the past several days, employees around the state soon began notifying their bosses they intended to take their day of worship off.

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../sundays_off_2
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Old 07-13-2004, 01:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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PS. It is obvious the Dems voted for this also.

I am not trying to flame but it sounds like hypocrasy,
when people talk family values
then a law that can add to showing those people mean what they say gets voted out by those saying it the loudest.
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Old 07-13-2004, 01:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think the problem is that the law gives the appearance of sactioning a religion which holds the day of rest as Sunday, i.e., Christianity. Whether companies could "get around that" is not the issue -- the law would be better stated as saying that all employees could have one day off a week if they could show it to be of religious significance in the religion they pursued. The problem would then be you could say that Wednesday was your sabbath, form a church, and fight the company if you so chose. No, I think the law is not a good one, and it is best that it was shut down.

The only recourse you could have had as a 7th is to sue the company for religious persecution, which would have not been worth it -- so you got a new job. No offense, but a job that has you working Friday or Saturday nights is a crapass hourly job anyway -- having worked a few of those jobs in my life, I know.

Also, spelling tip -- hypocrisy, from the Greek hypokrisis, acting a part or feigning.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No, the law was faulty, but there are those arguing how we are mistreating our heritage and getting away from "Judeo Christian" values. Yet, seemingly have no problem having people work on the seventh day.

I agree the law can't state a particular day but could have been rewritten to allow people their sabbath off, without retribution.

Yes, being a 7th is difficult, and granted Fri. and Sat. jobs are pretty sucky but sometimes those are all that are available. There are no excuses though for not allowing a person their sabbath off, legally they should have it off (many employers won't even hire you for that reason), but finding a lawyer to fight for it is not happening unless there is a lot of press in it and the 7th's try to avoid press, being very conservative (in most cases).

But then again what do I know?

PS thanks for the tip I am a lousy speller at times.
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Like it or not, the US is a 7-day-a-week economy, especially in the fastest growing section of our economy: services. It was a good fix that needed to be done, to keep from putting skids on Virginia's economic recovery (Thanks a TON, Gilmore!)
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think it is a stretch using this article to bash the GOP on religion.
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I agree with Lebell. Has nothing to do with the current situation, plus this is an old story that made its rounds already (even if Yahoo is showing the date as today, it is not new)

We seem to forget our puritanical beginnings, though outdated today.

Hell, there are still "dry counties" in this country.
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Old 07-13-2004, 07:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
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To me it just seems funny that there are those (not all GOP but more the religious right) who claim family values and how we need to stay close to our religious background. Yet, this shows they will pick and choose what is of value to them.

I also believe they could change the law to guarantee workers their sabbath day off. That to me is a freedom of religion, that today is highly overlooked. Especially, amongst lower wage income people who tend to be the most religious.

PS dry counties.... like the county Lynchburg Tennesee is in. Always amazed me Jack Daniels is made in a dry county.
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Old 07-14-2004, 12:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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what about jewish who have saturday as holy day

and yeah, this law needed to be struck down. plain and simple.

and who says family values are tied to religion..i hate that. I grew up in a very supportive, non religious household with a mother and father who never married, taught me a decent bit of morality, and let me be me. religion had very little to do with my upbringing and plays very little of a role in my life right now. I'm sure there are many who grew up in the same circumstances. admittedly, some need religion as a base, but that is not justification for pushing that on others.

not to mention, a LOT of companies would be out a huge amount of money from losing hte sunday productivity. Hell, 99% of restaurants would lose their busiest day of the year (Mother's day) Think abuot the tons of money being made just on the fact it's Sunday....

soo, it's funny that this isn't a "let the market decide" issue republicans always talk about...
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Old 07-14-2004, 01:08 PM   #10 (permalink)
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what about jewish who have saturday as holy day

and yeah, this law needed to be struck down. plain and simple.

and who says family values are tied to religion..i hate that. I grew up in a very supportive, non religious household with a mother and father who never married, taught me a decent bit of morality, and let me be me. religion had very little to do with my upbringing and plays very little of a role in my life right now. I'm sure there are many who grew up in the same circumstances. admittedly, some need religion as a base, but that is not justification for pushing that on others.

not to mention, a LOT of companies would be out a huge amount of money from losing hte sunday productivity. Hell, 99% of restaurants would lose their busiest day of the year (Mother's day) Think abuot the tons of money being made just on the fact it's Sunday....

soo, it's funny that this isn't a "let the market decide" issue republicans always talk about...

I agree with you. I just don't see how the GOP can claim they are the protectors of morals and religion (as seen recently in the Marriage Amendment they are sponsoring).

They had a chance to make sure workers could have a day off a week to observe their sabbath. Granted work needed to be done so that it was not pointing to one religion, but that is a detail easily worked out.

Didn't say workers had to take it off, just they had the right to have their Sunday (which at the time was the majority's Sabbath)off if they so requested it.

What this tells me is that one may not ask for their Sabbath off because no law protects them to having a day ofrf in honor of it.

To me that's the issue. It may not seem like much now but someday it may as other states see Va. setting a precedent.
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Old 07-14-2004, 05:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It was a bipartisan move initiated by the Democratic Governor. If you want to talk about stupid stuff Virginia does, talk about the slashing of gay rights in the state. But this? There's no real argument here.
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Old 07-15-2004, 04:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Trying to use this as evidence of anything beyond a poor understanding of the impact repealing certain laws will have on others is ridiculous, IMO.

They screwed up by not determining the impacts of their actions and before businesses and others would be harmed they acted to correct it.
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Old 07-15-2004, 05:10 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Just don't get injured on Sunday and you'll be fine. Had the law not been repealed, there could be no EMTs to transport you by ambulance.

Taking it to the extreme, don't expect to fly, ride a bus, travel on any toll road, take a cab, shop, conduct any business, get any deliveries, be protected by law enforcement or attend any church services on Sunday either.
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Old 07-15-2004, 06:57 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Why?

Do you honestly think every single worker would have taken Sunday off?

And so what if they did?

50 years ago just about everyone had Sun off.

I remember, as a kid, some 25 years ago, when the local mall decided to open on Sundays even for only 5 hours (12-5), it was a big deal and they had to fight city laws over it. Many people at the time thought the mall was getting greedy and it was shameful. Now people cry because they close earlier.

Most malls and stores have shorter hours on Sundays anyway.

I just personally believe there should be laws protecting workers from having to work 7 days.

Look, Bush is doing away with OT for what 8 million some workers or something.

Laws always tend to go forward and take a long time to go backward. So using that tradition, eventually all overtime may someday be taken away, in which case companies will be expecting workers to work 7 days a week.

I know I sound extreme and radically paranoid about the future, but I tend to see laws, as not what they will impact on today (as it actually takes awhile for the laws to really start getting enforced) but what that law will do in the future and what laws that possibly can be born from that idea.
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Old 07-15-2004, 08:56 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I also believe they could change the law to guarantee workers their sabbath day off. That to me is a freedom of religion, that today is highly overlooked. Especially, amongst lower wage income people who tend to be the most religious.
I'd be cool with that but I would fight any law that forbids businesses to operate on Sundays. In Tucson, AZ there is a law that car dealerships can't operate on Sundays. How fucking stupid is that?

I'm of the opinion that all laws that are heavily rooted in religion should be taken off the books.
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