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Old 08-04-2004, 05:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Name one good issue the other side promotes.

Just thinking about hate politics and thought maybe this could bring about good discussion.

Dems. pick an issue the President has that you like the stance on and tell why.

GOP pick an issue Kerry and the Dems have that you like and tell why.

Libertarians and others well...... pick an issue from the Dems and the GOP and discuss why you like it.

Hopefully, the point will bring some moderate righties and lefties to respect each other a little bit more.

In reality (I am a pessimist by nature, please forgive me), I have a feeling this thread may die a fast death as someone will undoubtedly say, "The other side has nooooo issue stances I support in anyway." and for those people I truly pity them because they are so blind and full of hate that they'll never change and grow up.

My one issue is the space program. I like the fact Bush is wanting to get men back on the moon and in space. We just let that whole program kind of die and it is sad because there is so much we can learn and so much potential there.

By rebuilding the space program perhaps it would bring forth new technologies and jobs and create new oppurtunities for the future generations.

I just truly like Bush for this and IF this were the only issue I was voting on I would vote for him, without any hesitation, because I don't see Kerry taking this issue and running with it.

Again, hope this thread opens up some positive dialect between opposites.
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I honestly can't say one item that the Kerry campaign stands for that I fully support because there aren't enough details out (at least that I'm aware of) about their specific plans.

This isn't meant as a dig at all as I fully understand why details are slow in coming out and it has everything to do with campaign tactics.

One issues that's important to the Dems that I agree with is health insurance for the poor and un/under insured.

Of course the specifics on this issue are a little more complicated since there are multiple plans but the overall concept I fully agree with.
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Old 08-04-2004, 07:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The other side? I guess for me, that means the Republicans as I lean to the left. The one good issue that they promote is opposition to abortion. I'm morally against it, but the population growth resulting from its proposed delegalization would cripple the nation.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Being closetst to the libertarians in belief, I'll pick from each. Overall, the Republican party tends to be very supportive of gun ownership rights. The Democrats tend to be more supportive of individual liberties (big flashing neon sign with "abortion rights" and "gay marriage")
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i cant think of a single issue advanced by the bush version of the republican party on which i agree with them. and i have been sitting here for five minutes trying.

fifteen minutes.

nothing...i got nothing....this cant be good.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for the constructive thread, pan6467.

There are many things good and necessary about Democratic positions. The loyal opposition is to be respected and appreciated in the spirit of bipartisanship.

From its idealism to its committment to social equality and human rights, the Democratic party is a crucial and necessary part of the progress and evolution of our nation toward a more humane and humanistic situation.

I appreciate the positions the party takes on health care and free expression. I may oppose individual applications of some of the actionable items that may spring from these positions. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the fact that they are traditionally husbanded by the Democrats.
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Old 08-04-2004, 10:28 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Being closetst to the libertarians in belief, I'll pick from each. Overall, the Republican party tends to be very supportive of gun ownership rights. The Democrats tend to be more supportive of individual liberties (big flashing neon sign with "abortion rights" and "gay marriage")
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Old 08-04-2004, 10:31 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 08-04-2004, 10:38 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Same with Superbelt, I like that the Republicans don't let the Democrats get away with too much gun control.
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Old 08-04-2004, 10:56 AM   #10 (permalink)
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One thing I appreciate about the platform of the GOP is their resolve to cut wasteful spending. I may not agree with what and where they want to cut, but i believe that trying to be as meticulous and careful about how everything is spent so that our taxes aren't wasted in beaurocracy, red tape and by swindlers and other such tomfoolery is a wonderful leash to kept upon.
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Old 08-04-2004, 10:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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three hours later and still nothing.....
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Old 08-04-2004, 12:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm a registered unaffiliated, so I'll go for both sides:

Republicans: I like their views on gun control (NFA of 1934 is quite enough), as well as their staunch support of the military.

Democrats: I am a large fan of their support of civil liberties (particularly their opposition to the USAPATRIOT Act), and their support for healthcare.
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Old 08-04-2004, 12:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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John Kerry has alot of secret plans, but not much up front that you can chew on.
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Old 08-04-2004, 12:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 08-04-2004, 01:51 PM   #15 (permalink)
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John Kerry has alot of secret plans, but not much up front that you can chew on.
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I like Bush not because of his issues, but I like him because he makes Canadians look smarter and more sophisticated then our neighbors to the South. It is kind of like standing Albert Einstein next to Jessica Simpson, of course we are going to look smarter.
That was pretty weak you guys...

I endorse the military aspect of the "war on terror" - it is an unfortunate reality that police and FBI, acting only defensively, is just not enough to defend our nation.

(does it count that I picked a position on which Kerry and Bush are virtually identical )
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 08-04-2004, 03:04 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I like Bush not because of his issues, but I like him because he makes Canadians look smarter and more sophisticated then our neighbors to the South. It is kind of like standing Albert Einstein next to Jessica Simpson, of course we are going to look smarter.
Off topic and not needed. Refrain from posthing things like this please.
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Old 08-04-2004, 04:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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nothing...i got nothing....this cant be good.
roachboy,

that might be because to the right for your beliefs would be Democrat.

Not digging, but I wouldn't have expected you to come up with anything as Moderate is far-right for your stances.

You would probably do better by using the Libertarian idea, see if you can come up with at least a Dem idea that you agree with.
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Old 08-04-2004, 04:56 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Way to smack one troll but not the other, Seaver.

I went and looked at the President's agenda on his to try to find something I agreed with. I also think NCLB is a great idea, but with almost every school I go to complaining they can't meet the requirements because they are so completely underfunded, I am disheartened. (I also like that two of the six points are security. Seriously, what is that?)

I like the idea that we need to restore values to our country, even if I disagree about some of those values.
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Old 08-04-2004, 05:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Like Kadath, I went to JohnKerry.com

How is this answer, I found two things that I agree with half of (two halves make a whole, right).

The first:

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In America, a rising tide is supposed to lift all boats. But today, Americans are working harder, earning less, and paying more for health care, college, and taxes. Corporate profits are soaring, the government keeps expanding, but the opportunities for our middle-class are shrinking.
The part I agree with regards gov't expansion and middle-class opportunites.

The second:

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Together, Americans will be freer and stronger when we break our dependence on foreign oil.

Today, we consume 2.5 million barrels of oil per day from the Middle East, where instability has pushed prices to record highs. These soaring energy costs are burdening middle-class families with higher gas prices, and our dependence on Middle East oil is putting our national security at risk.
I agree with the foreign oil thing, but the top two importers of oil to the U.S. are Canada and Mexico. Alternative energy aside, I would like to see us get more oil from within our territory. I don't have a problem with importing from Mexico and Canada as they are our "friends" and they need a healthy economy just as we do (plus, it is better to have a neighboring country with a growing economy). I would like to see the oil we get from the Middle East at least cut in half (that way we can't be held hostage by OPEC).

The problem I had was that several issues that are important to me, Kerry and Bush are very similar on.

Veteran's Benefits would be another one, but I can't really tell what is true and what isn't from either side.
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Old 08-04-2004, 07:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i decided to find one for the libs and dems

for the libs i found this
Marriage is a religious commitment in which the government has no place
Lifestyle is an individual right

first of all marrige is a state issue and the feds should have no say in it and the feds really should have no definate impact on my life that should be left to state govt. i think libs are closest to this

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education is an extremely important issue and even as a pretty frugal republican i am willing to pay a little more for someone to have a better education

Roachboy ya gotta find somthing i looked a long time so i think you can do more than just think about it look at their site
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Old 08-04-2004, 07:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Way to smack one troll but not the other, Seaver.
I hit him because he went against what this thread was intended for, offering nothing positive whatesoever. Who was the other troll praytell?
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Old 08-04-2004, 07:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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If I were to hazard a guess, Seaver, it was jcookc6's post.

I don't know if it was a troll, but if you have nothing to add then don't add.
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Old 08-04-2004, 07:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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O.k., I have a better, more constructive one:

Abortion.

I am morally against abortion, but I don't think it should be illegal. I would much rather have it unnecessary (I am adopted) than illegal.

That is one of the very few instances where I differ from my side.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:30 PM   #25 (permalink)
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HRmmm good thread

Probably one of the few issues i aggree with the GOP on would have to be smaller goverment, and fiscal responsiblity (though you wouldnt know they supported this from the example of the current president)
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
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its 12:41 am, about 12 hours later and i still cannot think of a single issue endorsed by the bush version of the republican party that i support.

i am well to the left of the democrats, kma--that is probably the problem.....as to why i am not a libertarian--well, that would be another thread.

see? i am learning this game....
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:08 AM   #27 (permalink)
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As a registered Independent I will tell you what I like about partisans. I like that when the neither one is in total control, there is a great deal of compromise and reworking of legislation. The best bills get passed when one side or the other can't just force something through.
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Thanks for the constructive thread, pan6467.

There are many things good and necessary about Democratic positions. The loyal opposition is to be respected and appreciated in the spirit of bipartisanship.

From its idealism to its committment to social equality and human rights, the Democratic party is a crucial and necessary part of the progress and evolution of our nation toward a more humane and humanistic situation.

I appreciate the positions the party takes on health care and free expression. I may oppose individual applications of some of the actionable items that may spring from these positions. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the fact that they are traditionally husbanded by the Democrats.
Thats one thing that most people don't get. The official Opposition is as important in a democracy as the ruling party. Its the opposition's job to balance out the scales, be the tell tale on the ruling party nd to basically be the watchdog. Democracy cannot work without a strong opposition.
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Old 08-05-2004, 07:23 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I like the democrats' opposition to the controversial portions of the Patriot Act. I've yet to hear a sufficient defence of them.

I like the pro-drug legalization (never tried drugs) and the pro-gay marriage (never tried that either) positions, but I don't know that Kerry holds either.
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Old 08-05-2004, 07:37 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I was watching one of Bush's campaign speeches last week and he mentioned something about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits. I like that.

Shortly after he was talking about doctors, so I don't know if what he was describing only pertained to malpractice, or frivolous lawsuits in general.

For example, "I'm fat so I'm suing McDonald's" or "I smoked for 40 years, ignored warnings, got cancer. Now I want to sue Phillip-Morris". People need to stop blaming others for their mistakes in life.
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:27 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I was wholeheartedly behind Bush's first "stimulus package" which helped give the economy a quick boost. It had pretty significant bi-partisan support, because it was a good idea, done at an appropriate time.
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:42 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I thought about this for a half hour and finally came up with something I sort of agree in. Mainly the GOP's stated less taxes stance. However, a balanced budget is much more important.
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:11 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Good Things about the Dems -

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Old 08-05-2004, 06:33 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I'm morally against abortion but want it legal. There are too many situations that arise when it is banned.

I also am for stem cell research.
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Old 08-05-2004, 07:10 PM   #35 (permalink)
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keeping a balance (one party system is a bad idea)



We need a open debate in this country. EVERYONE! Stop with the "I know how I feel and I'm never changing my view." Review your views challange them. Stop watching "The Factor" and put down the ranting editorials. Come together as a country. Attempt to see issues from all angles. Make decessions based on stances and important issues. Become involved. Promote true debates to be won by points made and not who said what louder. Both sides, come together for America.
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Old 08-05-2004, 08:54 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Some very good dialog and a lot of positive.

A few have had problems but hate runs deep and sometimes it's all you can see.

I know I learned some new things, it doesn't affect my vote, BUT it does allow me to be a little more ok with Bush if he's reelected.

Art, Skyscan, Phenom, and all thanks for the input on why it's necessary to have 2 parties.
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Old 08-06-2004, 02:34 AM   #37 (permalink)
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For the Republicans I like their views on gun control, military support, and less taxes.
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I'm a really strong democrat, and I would have to go with the Republican view of gun ownership rights.

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Old 08-06-2004, 12:47 PM   #39 (permalink)
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i decided to find one for the libs and dems

for the libs i found this
Marriage is a religious commitment in which the government has no place
Lifestyle is an individual right

first of all marrige is a state issue and the feds should have no say in it and the feds really should have no definate impact on my life that should be left to state govt. i think libs are closest to this

for the dems
Great teachers are the foundation of a great school. As president, John Kerry will enact a new bargain that offers teachers more, including better training and better pay in troubled schools, and asks for more in return, including fast, fair ways to make sure that teachers who don't belong in the classroom don't stay there.

education is an extremely important issue and even as a pretty frugal republican i am willing to pay a little more for someone to have a better education

Roachboy ya gotta find somthing i looked a long time so i think you can do more than just think about it look at their site
and yet you voted for an amendment to the missouri const. banning gay marriage.


oh, and for myself, i have to go with the repub's gun control and platform of less govt./fiscal responsibility. i would actually consider voting for a republican that promised not to hurt (necessary) social programs while following a conservitive economic policy.
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I appreciate the typically Republican ideals of smaller government and fiscal responsability. I wish that they would get back to that.
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