12-16-2004, 10:52 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Ahnold for Prez
does anyone want the Governator to be president?
Do you believe that immigrants should have the ability to run for presidency. I think that is a bad step to allow foreign born persons to become president, even if they have citizenship. I like Arnold as an actor and he has done a few things against the grain in Cali, but as a president that is way too much power for the terminator to have. |
12-16-2004, 11:02 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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The reasons to avoid having a foreign born president were laid out well in the Federalist papers and I have not seen a convincing argument yet against them.
As to Ahnold, he might be a good president, but unless the constitution is changed, we'll never know.
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12-16-2004, 11:06 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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12-16-2004, 11:16 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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I think it would be a final validation of the "coming to America" great immigrant story, in which we acknowledge the most excellent contributions of our new citizens, to allow them to aspire to the Presidency.
As for Arnold - I would support his candidacy, yes.
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12-16-2004, 11:31 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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It's not that I don't think that Arnold wouldn't be a good President...he well could be. The fact is, I just don't devote much thought to it, because...he can't. Not unless the Constitution is changed, which I do not support. If the Constitution is changed to allow immigrants to atain the Presidency...then I feel that it should not take effect for a period of 25 years, to eliminate the possibility of changing our most precious national document for the benefit of one man. Arnold cannot be President.
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12-16-2004, 11:43 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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I'd be in favor of an amendment, but not for a particular person, if that makes sense. I'd rather it come about by a feeling that it would be the Great American Story, not because another rich politician wanted something he couldn't have.
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12-16-2004, 02:01 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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I wouldn't vote for him, I disagree with most of his social policies. That would be an election where I go Constitution Party.
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12-16-2004, 02:21 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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And matter of factly Typhus, I am not an immigrant, nor is anyone in my family, for several generations; I assume this is the case for most people here on this forum and in the country at large.
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12-16-2004, 03:05 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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12-16-2004, 04:32 PM | #21 (permalink) | |
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12-16-2004, 07:40 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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My only issue with putting Arnold in the White House is that it would be the final symbolic step in choosing style over substance in America, the celebrification, if you will, of everything. We'd be picking him because we liked him, not because we thought he would do a good job. I imagine many people would think "Sure, he can't be any worse than those career politicians in Washington!"
On the other hand, it's just Reagan again.
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12-16-2004, 09:33 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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My two cents on this is that the most qualified person should be allowed to run for President. IF a party wants to make them their canidate, and IF a majority of the country wants that person to represent them, then how could that not be allowed? The reality in this country is that even if it was allowed, I doubt many outside the cities would vote for an immigrant anyway. Maybe I'm shortchanging our populace, but I just don't think it would happen.
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12-16-2004, 10:20 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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Based on the three for four articles I have read of his handling of california, I, a registered democrat, would likely vote for Arnold. He is a rather liberal person, socially, and fiscally conservative. Perhaps the most appealing single characteristic is that he actually thinks for himself; the party doesn't think for him. His support of gay marriage (ok, civil unions, but that's just fine by me) when his "higher ups" like bush want to *%#^%'in ban it...that earns points in my book. They say he's been rather effective in breaking 'logjams' in california. Of course, I'm a New York Liberal, so what do I know? Oh, and the amendment will never happen; it's a classic case of over reaction and people getting ahead of themselves.
P.S. A New York Liberal who votes for a republician is worth noting. P.P.S 40% of NY voted for Bush. I, however, did not.
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12-16-2004, 10:55 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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After thinking about it, I have to agree with BOR.
I don't mind having the Constitution change, after all it is it's flexability that has allowed the Constitution to remain one of the defining documents of our nation. However, it seems a bit too much to change it just for one man. And really that's all that it is. I don't seem to recall a movement to amend the Constitution before Arnold was sworn in as governor. It's a political move by a group of far thinking activists who want to ride popular momentum. So, yeah, if the country needs to change it (and I see no reason why not) then let it take effect in the future to benefit the political aspirations of candidates in the future not just for Arnold Schwarzenegg......Arnold.
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12-16-2004, 11:56 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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At least in the USA the idea of a immigrant for president or country leadership could be talked about.
I'm born in America and can run for president, but i'm only 23. Arnold has been here longer then me, and can't. Kinda odd don't you think. I could almost say he's more american then me...which is kinda odd to think off. I wouldn't be phased at all to see it changed to 35 years of american citizan ship to run for president, rather then 35 years old (or was it 40 for president and 35 for senator, please correct me if you guys know.)
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12-17-2004, 04:27 AM | #29 (permalink) |
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Yes we all know that immigrant Austrians make great leaders (just ask the Germans), seriously though. What is the big deal? He is more American than Austrian at this moment and as Konichiwaneko said he has been in the USA longer than many of the people on this board.
I understand that your constitution needs "refurbishing" to fit the situation, but if the majority of the people feel that it is okay than why not? Just do it for the good reasons and not for the sole purpose of electing 1 man (Arnold) as president and ad an "time limit" to it of a few decades.
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12-17-2004, 05:30 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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I prefer to keep it American born but that being said, amending it is up to the Constitution and states and imo it should be based on a period of living in America. I do not want to see a day where a guy comes to America and in a year is president - however a guy who has been here and seen it and lived for a while could qualify fine.
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12-17-2004, 07:38 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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Would it not be better to elect the best person for the job? By giving a person American Citizenship that person is American for all intensive purposes. President of the US would be like 30 Years as a US citizen, that means that the person is actually mostly American so should have the chance to run... mind you I am not American so maybe my views don't count.
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12-17-2004, 08:23 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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Look at the problems that arise in this country from our own home-grown politicians sending pork barrel projects to their home constituants. Anyone in a position to run for president of the United States is very likely of a "higher social class" (read that to say rich, if you want to), even an immigrant. In turn, a first generation, foriegn-born individual that is in a position to run for president would likely have family in a higher social class in their home country. Thus, their family members "back home" would probably be in a position of greater power than the average citizen in their home country, whether privately or in government.
We have enough tax-payer dollars spent on pork barrel projects on our own shores. The opportunity for a foriegn born president to influence international policy based on this family ties, ties that would extend to foriegn shores is too great. It is something we don't even want to contemplate.
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12-17-2004, 08:26 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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If Arnold wants the power of leadership and really wants to help America, let him lead the United Nations. That organization really needs The Terminator.
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12-17-2004, 08:29 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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I do not mind the idea of immigrants running. In fact I support it. But I agree changing it for one man cheapens the constitution to a degree...I say put a time limit for it to be effective. and then make it something like 35 years in this country to run for office. By that point most people would be rather Americanized.
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12-17-2004, 09:00 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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We already had one actor for a president, and look how great that worked out for the US. Reagan worked well with a monkey in movies and about as well with the ones in congress.
My fear is that if he did run he would be elected, but I disagree with having to be US born to be president. That being said I am in favor of citizenship exams as a requirement to be able to vote in the first place. My hope would be that educated voters would equal an educated choice for all elected officers.
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12-17-2004, 09:04 PM | #37 (permalink) | |
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12-17-2004, 11:00 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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he's a republican, which is good in my books.... if his popularity doesthe same thing in teh presidental election as it did in the florida election, he would win with ease.... which makes him a scary idea for democrats
for alot of people, politians are boring people who just sit behind desks and kiss babies, but arnold is a action hero
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12-17-2004, 11:34 PM | #40 (permalink) | |
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