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Old 02-06-2005, 10:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"Choose Death" License Plates

I wonder if you can comply with court rulings by mocking them. Seems to be a novel solution.

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South Carolina lawmakers are proposing several alternatives to the state's "Choose Life" license plates including "Choose Death," "Choose Abortion" and simply "Pro Choice." The proposals were introduced after the U.S. Supreme Court this week refused to hear South Carolina's appeal of a ruling that found the state's "Choose Life" plates unconstitutional.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals had earlier ruled "Choose Life" plates violated the First Amendment because abortion rights supporters were not offered a similar plate. Now state lawmakers are proposing alternatives. State Senator David Thomas, a Republican from Greenville, introduced a bill creating a "Pro Choice" version of the license plate.

"It's fairly simple," he said. "We'll just give the pro-choice side a license plate in the same bill. Hopefully this will allow us to get around the problem."

But state Representative John Graham Altman, a Republican from Charleston, has proposed motorists choose between "Choose Life" and "Choose Abortion." "This should comply with that crazy court decision," he said.

And state Senator Mike Fair, a Republican from Greenville, introduced a bill that would make the alternate plate "Choose Death." He proposes proceeds from the special "Choose Life" tags should go to a crisis pregnancy center while those from "Choose Death" tags go to the Department of Mental Health for post-abortion trauma treatment.

"This is meant as a message to address this sad state of affairs," Fair said.




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Old 02-06-2005, 10:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have to admit. With "Choose Death" I was thinking about pro-death penalty.
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Old 02-06-2005, 01:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I wonder if you can comply with court rulings by mocking them. Seems to be a novel solution.
I'd pay extra for a "choose death" license plate....
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Old 02-06-2005, 01:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the best part...is it that south carolinians are too lazy to get bumper stickers?

their government seems not to think much of their ability to find and display political parephenalia.
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Old 02-06-2005, 07:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'd pay extra for a "choose death" license plate....

You know, daswig, this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.
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Old 02-06-2005, 07:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I wish legislators would spend their constituents' tax dollars and time in better ways than wasting time and spending money creating license plates bearing messages that could just as easily be accomplished through the application of a personalized license plate frame. I am frustrated and disgusted on behalf of the people of South Carolina, although I would spend extra for a "choose death" license plate.

edit: especially if it comes with a black background and a skull and crossbones between the groups of digits.
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Old 02-06-2005, 08:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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seriously, SC is the most bigotted, aggravating, racist, fundamentalist, most insidious, heinous, incestuous, festering, nepotistic, closed minded, self righteous bunch of assholes i have ever met...and i was born and raised here.

Basically, it's this...the anti-abortion crowd is basically trying to make it a life vs death argument by using it in the crudest terms possible. it may be allowing something to grow and live vs killing it off early, but it's just the halfhandedness of the argument, "Choose life" vs "Choose death" instead of "Choose choice" or something else. I am surprised they aren't making them in pink or with baby outlines or anything like that.

it is a mockery and 'Choose death' is easily misconstrued to refer to the death penalty... ..

very...south carolinian...
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Old 02-06-2005, 08:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Sorry Paq, I think that Florida at least ties SC. I think it just shows what little minds some of these republicans have, mmmm maybe we could have a "NO BUSH" plate for those ladies who shave, of course
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Old 02-06-2005, 09:15 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If by "Choose Death" it means I can choose to inflict death on someone of my choosing, like say state Representative John Graham Altman, then I'm all for it.
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Old 02-06-2005, 09:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think the choice should be between "Pro-choice" and "Anti-choice."
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Old 02-06-2005, 09:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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seriously...prochoice vs antichoice...bc who is really against life....
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Old 02-07-2005, 04:52 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'd pay extra for a "choose death" license plate....
Wouldn't it be funny if they offered it and the whole thing backfired on them and "Choose Death" outsold the "Choose Life" plate.
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Old 02-07-2005, 06:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I have to admit. With "Choose Death" I was thinking about pro-death penalty.
Pro abortion is pro death penalty, only problem is it is an innocent child, not a convicted criminal.

But I do agree with some of you. Why in the world are they wasting tax payers time and money on this license plate issue. But a bumper sticker.
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Old 02-07-2005, 06:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
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seriously, SC is the most bigotted, aggravating, racist, fundamentalist, most insidious, heinous, incestuous, festering, nepotistic, closed minded, self righteous bunch of assholes i have ever met.
So...I take it that you've never been to Nebraska?
Oh, and add me to the list of those that feel that this is a huge waste of taxpayer's resources. Although, on the other hand, it speaks well for South Carolina, that things are going so well there, that her lawmakers can actualy spend their time on this. Right?
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Old 02-07-2005, 07:11 AM   #15 (permalink)
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But there is so many more plates they could offer: Pro Absitnence, Pro Birth Control, Pro Morning After Pill or Pro Castration.

I'm another for a waste of taxpayer money. There is so much else going on in the country and they are spending time talking about what to put on a license plate. Damn politicians!
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Old 02-07-2005, 09:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I for one would love to have a "Choose Death" license plate. I probably wouldn't pay more for it though. Would go well with my black-on-black car. I'd have to add a few pentagram bumper stickers for full effect.

Alternatively, it could be used by euthanasia supporters.
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If they had "choose death" liscence plates, I could never drive in South Carolina, because I would immediately crash after seeing one and beginning to laugh uncontrollably.
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Old 02-08-2005, 07:14 AM   #18 (permalink)
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This is the Louisiana version, upon which we are still waiting for the appeals court to rule. Louisiana lawmakers have so far refused to offer an option, and the South Carolina ruling makes me feel like we have half a chance of making these plates go away forever.

*grins* I'd pay a lot for a "choose death" plate... although I don't think this is an issue for a license plate. Buy a bumper sticker, get a tattoo, just don't waste my tax dollars forcing a point of view.
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Old 02-08-2005, 07:52 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Pro abortion is pro death penalty, only problem is it is an innocent child, not a convicted criminal.
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:15 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I wish legislators would spend their constituents' tax dollars and time in better ways than wasting time and spending money creating license plates bearing messages that could just as easily be accomplished through the application of a personalized license plate frame.
Except that the goal isn't to spend tax dollars, it's to raise more money. Whichever side of the argument they decide to end up on, the result will be a lot of people paying money for a stupid license plate. Paying money to the government. It's the perfect plan. Here the government controls how your voice is heard, so as not to be discomforting to others, they raise revenue, and it makes the people who purchase it feel like they've really done something that means something.

I can't think of a more insidious and evil plan than government rationed speech.

Let's push for pro- and anti-terrorism license plates next, and then we could have pro- and anti-gay marriage plates, and pro- and anti-school prayer plates, and we could follow that with whatever bullshit, pandering, social message designed-to-distract-people-while-they-continue-to-get-fucked-by-the-upper-1%-plates are released.
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:37 AM   #21 (permalink)
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seriously...prochoice vs antichoice...bc who is really against life....
Many Pro-life supporters feel that abortionists are against life. Honestly you could frame pro-choice in any context:

rape- Sure, im pro-choice, the choice to have sex with who I want, when I want.

arson- Sure im pro-choice, the choice to set fire to what I want.

burglary- Sure im pro-choice, the choice to have what I want when I want it.

I've always thought that framing the abortion issue as one of "choice" to be whitewashing the issue. People who are pro-life arent by default wanting to dominate all women's lives (although I can admit that some probably would like to). If you don't mind what you're doing, why not say pro-abortion? It seems to me that people who say "pro-choice" think that abortion IS wrong, and so need to frame the discussion in another way, because as was said who is really against life?
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'd pay extra for a "choose death" license plate....
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You know, daswig, this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.
I may cry, that's so touching! *sniff*

I too would pay extra for a "Choose Death" plate. Especially one with MrSelfDestruct's adjustments.
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Old 02-08-2005, 02:25 PM   #23 (permalink)
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of course , pro-choice is whitewashing the issue. I believe it took a while for pro-abortion people to come up with that as their issue name instead of "pro-death or pro-abortion. Let's face it, abortion is a nasty issue. I don't know of anyone, pro choice or pro abortion, that thinks it's a grand thing and a wonderful choice for birth control. It's a nasty issue and most pro-choice people are not advocating abortions for everyone, just the LEGAL option of an abortion for someone...
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Old 02-08-2005, 02:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
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How about a "Choose Overpopulation" plate?
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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This may seem like an odd conclusion, or maybe a conspiracy theory, but I think that the pro-life crowd probably brought up the court case in the first place. That way, they could get a huge amount of free media, and put pressure on politicians to give them support. There's a lot of public sympathy involved in a court case, where a group is being harrassed by the overzealous court system. This was actually good for the pro-life group's Public Relations efforts. The only problem is, they've managed to botch it now.

It's all a game of controlling perceptions.

The pro-choice crowd want you to think of abortion as a medical procedure, and nothing more.

The pro-life crowd wants you to think of abortion as premeditated murder.

Both crowds use words that convey their own agenda. Both crowds try underhanded tricks to get laws written, or government sponsorship of their agenda.

I was born and raised in SC, and only got out by joining the military. I don't think any of this was accidental, I think it was all planned. They're mocking the court order to get people to their side. They proposed "Choose Death" in the hopes that it would deliver a message, arguing against abortion. What sane person would actually want something like that on their car? What sane politician would get up on a podium and say "I think that we should kill people." No, they're not, because everyone has to be politically correct. This court case just pushed something that wasn't a big deal in the first place, into the national spotlight. I don't know many pro-choice people that really had a problem with the license plates. They just responded by using bumper stickers, if they were so inclined. In fact, I think I'm going to see if I can get a bumper sticker with the SC tree and moon (from the state flag) with the words "Choose Death".
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:16 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Oh my GAAAAWWDDDD!! What an incredibly stupid overbearance of political correctness and waste of taxpayer monies!! What a bunch of crap!!!

This is where we have come, if they want to cater to one group, we will have to cater to another. Imagine if the NAACP wanted their dedicated plate, will the kkk also get one? If this flies, we are there...
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
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who else thinks having plates that advocate positions on abortion is a great way to create more road rage?
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Old 02-09-2005, 01:01 AM   #28 (permalink)
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irate, i'm with you on this one. I find that being behind someone with a "W-04" sticker exponentially increases my roadrage mannerisms towards the person in question.

same as being behind a person with a bumpersticker reading, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" or anything of the sort

maybe cars aren't the best place for displaying political and religious ideologies...
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Old 02-09-2005, 10:13 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Don't blame the lawmakers for wasting tax-payers' money, blame the judges. They're the onles that ruled that not offering a "pro-abortion" licenseplate was infringing on peoples rights under the 1st amendment.

I'll bet the reason there was never one offered is because no politician wanted their name on a bill that creates "pro-abortion" license plates, it wasn't the government trying to cut back on 1st amendment rights. Then we get some whiney pro-choicers complaining that they aren't offered a license plate. Did they ever ask their congressman or did they just run straight to court?

You tell me.
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:39 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Don't blame the lawmakers for wasting tax-payers' money, blame the judges. They're the onles that ruled that not offering a "pro-abortion" licenseplate was infringing on peoples rights under the 1st amendment.
No, I think that on this one, I will blame the lawmakers. This all started with the ofference of a Pro-Life license plate. Where did they think that was going to go?

I think I'll give another shot at tossing my hat into the ring. Only this time, I'll run for the Nebraska State Legislature. I'll introduce a Bill to do away with that tired assed covered wagon, and push for Alyson Hannigan license plates.
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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You might get some votes on that platform.

but

SC is not the only state to have those license plates, we have had them in florida for a number of years and they are on many cars. The legislature, elected by the people, enacted the bill, and it apparantly was a success since there are a lot of pro-life plates on cars in florida. So, to me, it looks like the legislature did a good job of representing its constituants. So I don't see a problem with the ofference of the pro-life plates, only a problem with people going to court to get what they want, while skipping the whole legislative process completely.
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:54 PM   #32 (permalink)
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...So I don't see a problem with the ofference of the pro-life plates, only a problem with people going to court to get what they want, while skipping the whole legislative process completely.
The pro-choice side didn't try to get a plate of their own before they brought the issue to the courts?
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Old 02-09-2005, 01:06 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Screw the state license plates. Just buy a bumper sticker with a better messagethat says "Jesus Loves Abortions" or "Abortions Tickle"

You'll be sure to turn more heads than a simple "Pro-choice" message.
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The pro-choice side didn't try to get a plate of their own before they brought the issue to the courts?
What, you don't know the answer to that?

Just because they weren't offered one doesn't mean that they lobbied the legislature for one and were rejected.
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Old 02-09-2005, 04:57 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Then we get some whiney pro-choicers complaining that they aren't offered a license plate. Did they ever ask their congressman or did they just run straight to court?

You tell me.
I honestly doubt that "whiney" pro choicers raised this issue in the first place. I'll bet it was "underhanded" pro lifers, who brought this to the courts as a way to get huge national media attention.
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I honestly doubt that "whiney" pro choicers raised this issue in the first place. I'll bet it was "underhanded" pro lifers, who brought this to the courts as a way to get huge national media attention.
Wow, you are so insightful. how'd you get so smart?
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Old 02-10-2005, 08:07 AM   #37 (permalink)
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What, you don't know the answer to that?

Just because they weren't offered one doesn't mean that they lobbied the legislature for one and were rejected.
Nor does it mean that they didn't lobby the legislature. I wanted to know whether or not they did.
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Well, when you find out post it so we will all know what a bunch of whiney babies they are.
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