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Old 03-17-2005, 01:16 PM   #41 (permalink)
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That method, man v. man, doesn't always seem to work correctly *(will of the majority) nationally though.

NCB, did you think it was disgusting when the Senate Republicans refused to release Clinton's nominees from committee?

The Senate is a check on Bush's choice of judges. The Senate democrats who represent a majority of america (even though all their constitutents didn't vote for them, they still represent a majority) are right to look out for the majority of america's interest.
The Constitution says "advise and consent". Not "supermajority", et cetera. The Senate has an OBLIGATION to say "yea" or "nay". Refusing to let nominees come up for a vote is an abuse of their constitutional perogative.

It's amazing that some people claim that the Democrats still represent the majority of Americans. Given the consistent losses that the Democrats have taken in election after election since 1994, it's also not a very rational viewpoint. I'm reminded of that picture of Tom Dascle after one of the elections, sitting alone backstage, with his head in his hands.
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:25 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I would just like someone to explain to me why a judicial nominee that will garner 51 votes or more in the senate should not be confirmed. In the constitution they only need 51 votes. Please explain to me why the nominees should not be confirmed if they are able to get the votes required.
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Old 03-17-2005, 02:01 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Because the Constitution gave the Senate the power to create it's own rules of debate.
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Old 03-17-2005, 02:20 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Because the Constitution gave the Senate the power to create it's own rules of debate.
and because of that they shouldn't modify it? i don't understand your answer to the question.
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:04 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Republican Filibusters Of Nominees Reported To The Senate Floor In The Past 40 years.

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· 1968 Abe Fortas, Supreme Court
· 1980 William Lubbers, NLRB
· 1980 Don Zimmerman, NLRB
· 1980 Stephen Breyer, 1st Circuit
· 1987 Melissa Wells, Ambassador
· 1987 William Verity, Commerce
· 1993 Walter Dellinger, Justice
· 1993 Five State Department Nominees
· 1993 Janet Napolitano, Justice
· 1994 Larry Lawrence, Ambassador
· 1994 Rosemary Barkett, 11th Circuit
· 1994 Sam Brown, Ambassador
· 1994 Derek Shearer, Ambassador
· 1994 Ricki Tigert, FDIC
· 1994 H. Lee Sarokin, 3rd Circuit
· 1995 Henry Foster, Surgeon General
· 1998 David Satcher, Surgeon General
· 2000 Marsha Berzon, 9th Circuit
· 2000 Richard Paez, 9th Circuit

http://www.leahy.senate.gov/issues/n...libusters.html
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:17 PM   #46 (permalink)
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No, they can modify it if they want.
But then the Democrats can insist on every piece of legislation being fully read.
When legislation runs at 4000 pages or so.... Business can be slowed down a bit.
That is what the nuclear option is.

If the Republicans remove the gentlemens rules of the filibuster, the democrats insist on every detail.
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:23 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Republican Filibusters Of Nominees Reported To The Senate Floor In The Past 40 years.




http://www.leahy.senate.gov/issues/n...libusters.html

Just curious. Why would the GOP filibuster nominees from a GOP Prez?
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:25 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I am absolutely sick of the GOP changing the rules to serve only their means. Removing the filibuster would be completely radical and very, very unsettling in general. Do they not know that one day they will be on the "losing" team? What will they do then?
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:31 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Just curious. Why would the GOP filibuster nominees from a GOP Prez?
Who says people in the same party always agree? The Carter years were famous for all the times the Democratically-controlled Congress voted against Carter's legislative agenda. It happens in the GOP too, even though it's never gotten as bad for them as it was for Carter way back when.
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:45 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Because the Constitution gave the Senate the power to create it's own rules of debate.

So because the Senate can create it's rules of debate, they can ignore their Constitutional duty to advise and consent?

Rules of debate are NOT Constitutional obligations. They have a Constitutional duty to advise and consent. Senate rules take a second seat to Constitutional duties every time.
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:50 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Yeah, but when they are chosen NOT for their impartiality but rather how they will vote on certain partisan hot-topics..... then they are not in the job for what is truly in the best interest of the country, but rather what promotes their political party more.
They have NEVER been put in because of impartiality. They are placed there by the executive branch because it is the right of the executive to check the judicial. Now, of course presidents will put those judges who they agree with in there, it's one of the powers you get. It would be unconstitutional for the president to put someone in place of an already standing judge.

And as for your statement "then they are not in the job for what is truly in the best interest of the country, but rather what promotes their political party more", have you ever thought their own self interest is what they VIEW as the best interest for the country? Judges in the Supreme Court level interpret the law and the rational of those who created it. Their sole job is what you are hammering them for, which is putting their own views on the law's intention and/or constitutionality.
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