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Old 03-31-2005, 08:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I wasnt sure if this belonged in this section or the humour or paranoia file.

Is this guy the next coming of Nostradamus? or was he just smoking too much opium?

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A thorough analysis of the Koran reveals that the US will cease to exist in the year 2007, according to research published by Palestinian scholar Ziad Silwadi.

The study, which has caught the attention of millions of Muslims worldwide, is based on in-depth interpretations of various verses in the Koran. It predicts that the US will be hit by a tsunami larger than that which recently struck southeast Asia.

"The tsunami waves are a minor rehearsal in comparison with what awaits the US in 2007," the researcher concluded in his study. "The Holy Koran warns against the Omnipotent Allah's force. A great sin will cause a huge flood in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans."

Silwadi, who is from the village of Silwad near Ramallah – the home of Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal – is not a world-renowned scholar. He said he decided to publish the findings of his research "out of a sense of responsibility because what is about to happen is extremely shocking and frightening."

His fear, he said, is that the world economy, which relies heavily on the US dollar, would be deeply affected by the collapse of the US.

"It would be fair to say that the world would be better off with a US that is not a superpower and that does not take advantage of weak nations than a world where this country does not exist at all," he added."The world will certainly lose a lot if and when this disaster occurs because of the great services that American society has rendered to the economy, industry and science."

Silwadi said his study of the Koran showed that the US would perish mainly because of its great sins against mankind, including the Native Americans and blacks.

"As soon as the Europeans started arriving in the new world discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1492, they declared a war on the so-called Red Indians, the legitimate owners of the land," he wrote. "Then they began enslaving and humiliating Africans after kidnapping them from their countries and bringing them to America. Millions of blacks were brought to the US and treated with unprecedented harshness. Those who became ill during the journey were thrown overboard to feed the fish."

Silwadi pointed out that the US continued to commit war crimes and "ethnic cleansing" against humanity by becoming the first country to use nuclear weapons during World War II.

"International law penalizes such crimes," he said. "If these laws were not applied then, they are certainly implemented in heaven. If no one on earth is capable of punishing [the US], Allah was and remains able to do so. All these actions have been documented by Allah in a big archive called the Koran."

Silwadi said he reached the conclusion that several suras (chapters) in the Koran that talk about punishment for those who perpetrate heinous sins actually refer to the US.

As an example, he quotes in his study verse 40 of the Spider Sura, which states: "So each We [God] punished for his sin; of them was he on whom We sent down a violent storm, and of them was he whom the rumbling overtook, and of them was he whom We made to be swallowed up by the earth, and of them he whom We drowned; and it did not beseem Allah that He should be unjust to them, but they were unjust to their own souls."

Drawing parallels between Pharaoh and the US, who share the same "sin" of arrogance and excessive pride, Silwadi noted that the Koran mentions at least 12 times the fact that Pharaoh was punished by drowning for his evil deeds.

The Narrative Sura, he noted, clearly suggests that the US will drown in the sea: "And Firon [Pharaoh] said: O chiefs! I do not know of any god for you besides myself; therefore kindle a fire for me And he was unjustly proud in the land, he and his hosts, and they deemed that they would not be brought back to Us. So We caught hold of him and his hosts, then We cast them into the sea, and see how was the end of the unjust [verses 38-40]."

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Old 03-31-2005, 08:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Pffft... I remember jack Van Ipe saying the same shit as a young pup. I mean as far as the pacific is concerned it's not if but when (San Andreas), but some of this end times shit is ridiculous.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I hate religious nuts... especially those that think they have some ability to predict the future based on the past.

The US will be here in 2007, it will be here in 2107... I mean, we can say the same about the current state of affairs in the middle east. By 2007 they will no longer exist in the manner they are operating today.
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Old 04-05-2005, 08:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ok, let me check how muslims say the Koran came to be written.

Muhammad goes to cave.
Angel talks Muhammad.
Muhammad starts new religion.
Muhammad converts slave boy to his religion.
Muhammad is illiterate but wants to write down his ideas and philosophies about his new religion.
Muhammad dictates to slave boy, slave boy writes down what Muhammad says.
The writings get organized from longest to shortest and are called the Koran.

So last time I checked, the Koran is the word of Muhammed, (it's even written in the first person). So I do not see where prophecy enters into it.

I would say that Ziad Silwadi is just trying to spread more of that anti-american hate that Arabs love so much.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Remember those 80s sci-fi lite films, where it showed the year 2005 with flying cars and people living in space? I figure this is a similar case. The US will not cease to exist in 2007. We have much longer than that. Will the US cease to exist eventually? Certianally. Will there be a tidal wave in 2007 that wipes out the entire US? Almost impossible. I'd understand if maybe one of the coasts was taken out. If we lost the East coast to a tidal wave, it would be devestating (and plausable), but it wouldn't destroy the entire US. Even if the wave was impossibly high, there is no way it could sweep across the entire country.

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So last time I checked, the Koran is the word of Muhammed, (it's even written in the first person). So I do not see where prophecy enters into it.
Muhammed is a prophet. A prophet would bring prophecy into it. The Qu'ran is the word of Allah interpreted through Muhammed. Religious texts talk about the future and prophesize all the time. Have you ever read the book of Revelation in the Bible?
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Muhammed is a prophet. A prophet would bring prophecy into it. The Qu'ran is the word of Allah interpreted through Muhammed. Religious texts talk about the future and prophesize all the time. Have you ever read the book of Revelation in the Bible?
But all of what Muhammed knew is what was told to him by the angel that supposedly met him. And the Koran was written long after that, and not directly by Muhammed.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
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"The tsunami waves are a minor rehearsal in comparison with what awaits the US in 2007," the researcher concluded in his study. "The Holy Koran warns against the Omnipotent Allah's force. A great sin will cause a huge flood in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans."
Allah took a paractice swing and missed, and hit south asia. But dont worry, he's mustering up his all-powerful strength for another swing, and should be ready in a few years. This time he intends to hit the correct side of the planet and obliterate the US forever! As for those folks in asia who caught the bat, Allah sends you the following message: "Oops, my bad!"
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:32 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I used to have a secretary, and one I dictated a letter to her. I read the letter and it had the same words I used. Muhammed dictated the words to the boy, and the boy took them down. Early Muslim sources report that in 610, at about the age of 40, he experienced a vision. He described it to those close to him as a visit from the Angel Gabriel, who commanded him to memorize and recite the verses later collected as the Qur'an. Muhammed memorized the words of Gabriel and dictated them to the boy. Unless we are assuming that either Muhammed forgot or acedentally remembered something wrong, or the boy wrote something down wrong, the Qu'ran has the same message that Gabriel gave Muhammed.
The Qu'ran scholar is probably wrong, but the Qu'ran is as dependable as any other religious text, such as the Bible or the Torah. The reliability of the Qu'ran comes down to faith, not legistics.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:07 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Haven't there been dozens upon dozens of different folks claiming the end of America or for that matter the world over the years?

I seem to remember 'prophesy' that predicted the U.S. would be destroyed under a deluge of water, a series of massive earthquakes, the super volcano under Yellowstone, from the masses rising up against their government, blah blah blah blah blah. Crackpot theories from cracked minds.

I keep waiting because, as I understand it, it's going to a helluva show. So far, I've nothing but disappointed.

Sure, the United States will one day be no more. It is inevitable. But from a giant tsunami in a couple of years? I'm going to file this one under highly unlikely.
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=willravel Will there be a tidal wave in 2007 that wipes out the entire US? Almost impossible. I'd understand if maybe one of the coasts was taken out. If we lost the East coast to a tidal wave, it would be devestating (and plausable), but it wouldn't destroy the entire US. Even if the wave was impossibly high, there is no way it could sweep across the entire country.
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Of course not. A country sized tidal wave?? not even plausible. And just how do they exlpain that the water would stop at the Canadian border????? Or the Mexican border as well??? And would Alaska also get hit?

Nope. the US will not be wiped out buy a tsunami. patently ridiculous. Even if we don't take the metaphorical language literally
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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aww man. As soon as I heard this I started building an arc. Now what the hell am I supposed to do with all these friggin aminals?
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I just read that there is a supervolcano in indonesia that could very well be set off by all the recent seismic activity in the region.

Iran regularly gets pummeled by quakes which kill thousands of people.

It seems to me that the wrath of God/Allah as is exhibited in nature depends strongly on where you live.

Of couse, I live within site of some honker volcanos myself (St. Helens, Mt. Hood, Mt. Jefferson...)
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
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First of all, not all Arabs are Muslims, and second of all, all Muslims are not Arab.

Another problem I have with this comment of yours is that you're ascribing the rantings of one (or maybe a few) lunatic scholars to an entire ethnic group... It is people like you who make lots of noice with such ignorant stereotypical claims that foster hatred towards Americans and other Western cultures.
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:40 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 04-06-2005, 07:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:52 AM   #17 (permalink)
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It is people like you who make lots of noice with such ignorant stereotypical claims that foster hatred towards Americans and other Western cultures.
That’s right, and the American racists (generally speaking) cannot decipher why they are so hated, it's not so difficult to understand. Everything the racist Americans despise about the Arabs who "all" supposedly hate them, possess the very same attributes they condemn. Even if those attributes don’t constitute the Arab nation, and are often imaginary, it proves to be real attributes of the American racists.
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Old 04-09-2005, 08:23 AM   #19 (permalink)
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But all of what Muhammed knew is what was told to him by the angel that supposedly met him. And the Koran was written long after that, and not directly by Muhammed.
well, all of the new testament was about Jesus, and all of it was written a long time after his death, by people who did not know him when he was alive?
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Old 04-09-2005, 09:22 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I see a very real possibility of massive tsunamis inundating the coastlines of the Americas. There is an undersea mount which is being watched as we speak off of the Canaries which, when and if it slips, will make the Boxing Day event look like a splash in a teacup. There is another one off of the Hawaiian Islands. Ditto. There are erratics in the Gulf of Mexico weighing tens of thousands of tons which were emplaced by such a prior event. They do happen. Now, to tie the eventual world wide event to slave taking, or the enforced ensettlement of inhabited areas by a more socially advanced, technologically superior and ideologically cohesive group is to allow that the author himself will witness at first hand the waves coming in hundreds of feet high travelling at 400 mph, because after all it was the Arab slavetraders who originally (and to this day still do) go into the hinterlands of the African continent looking for fresh bodies to feed their assorted requirements. My 2 cents.
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gee, i have seen thread after thread in here in which self-identified christians whine and complain about the abuse of elements of their faith, about how they are categorized as a function of their religious convictions, etc etc etc-how horrible this is for them, how persecuted they are---which makes it curious to read through this thread and find many of these same people acting as though, once again, making ridiculous, ignorant comments about islam is fair game.

particularly in these degenerate times, during which is is apparently ok for a wholly uninformed conception of islam to cross with racism directed at arabs in general.

good job at maintaining exactly the level of intellectual integrity i have come to expect from this particular political climate--defense of religious belief is not the issue really--what is defended is christianity, as if christianity was identical with religious belief in general--when it comes to other religions, islam in particular, anything goes.

as if christianity, particularly in its sorry american protestant evangelical variant, is not full to the brim with inconsistencies, as if this same variant has not been given, over and over, to issuing ridiculous proclamations about the end times, as if these proclamations have not resulted, over and over, in (for example) groups of the faithful gathering in lawnchairs in a particular back yard, on a particular time on a particular day, to await the coming of jesus or some such nonsense. now you have this same formation, thsi same set of beliefs shaping american policy...and the right is politically working to benefit from this state of affairs.....so it follows that the types of idiocy generated amongst protestant evangleicals, when it happens, is somehow better than idiocy coming from other positions.

all apparently above reproach, seemingly because it involves white people in the main.
if these same religious sectors mobilized an equivalent number of arabs, i wonder if you would have the same kind of critiques from the right coming fast and furious. no wait--such geniuses of conservative politics as ann coulter have argued for a long time now that the real problem with muslims is that they are not protestant evanglicals, and that if you could convert them, all problems would be solved.

except of course for racism----which is ok if it comes wrapped in the bonbon of christianity, it seems.

what is someone to think reading this type of thing here?
scratch a conservative, find a racist?
it looks as though that was the accidental agenda previously.
good job giving that impression, folks.
you really advance your cause this way.
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gee, i have seen thread after thread in here in which self-identified christians whine and complain about the abuse of elements of their faith, about how they are categorized as a function of their religious convictions, etc etc etc-how horrible this is for them, how persecuted they are---which makes it curious to read through this thread and find many of these same people acting as though, once again, making ridiculous, ignorant comments about islam is fair game.

particularly in these degenerate times, during which is is apparently ok for a wholly uninformed conception of islam to cross with racism directed at arabs in general.

good job at maintaining exactly the level of intellectual integrity i have come to expect from this particular political climate--defense of religious belief is not the issue really--what is defended is christianity, as if christianity was identical with religious belief in general--when it comes to other religions, islam in particular, anything goes.

as if christianity, particularly in its sorry american protestant evangelical variant, is not full to the brim with inconsistencies, as if this same variant has not been given, over and over, to issuing ridiculous proclamations about the end times, as if these proclamations have not resulted, over and over, in (for example) groups of the faithful gathering in lawnchairs in a particular back yard, on a particular time on a particular day, to await the coming of jesus or some such nonsense. now you have this same formation, thsi same set of beliefs shaping american policy...and the right is politically working to benefit from this state of affairs.....so it follows that the types of idiocy generated amongst protestant evangleicals, when it happens, is somehow better than idiocy coming from other positions.

all apparently above reproach, seemingly because it involves white people in the main.
if these same religious sectors mobilized an equivalent number of arabs, i wonder if you would have the same kind of critiques from the right coming fast and furious. no wait--such geniuses of conservative politics as ann coulter have argued for a long time now that the real problem with muslims is that they are not protestant evanglicals, and that if you could convert them, all problems would be solved.

except of course for racism----which is ok if it comes wrapped in the bonbon of christianity, it seems.

what is someone to think reading this type of thing here?
scratch a conservative, find a racist?
it looks as though that was the accidental agenda previously.
good job giving that impression, folks.
you really advance your cause this way.

I've only read ONE post in this thread that might qualify under this charge.

Which posts are you speaking of?
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4, 6, 11, maybe 15 (it is so strange i cant tell really)

btw: waiting for the endgame was among the earliest features of christianity.
that is how you ended up with the desert fathers, for example.
the conflict around constantine's conversation was in part over the question of whether the end times were imminent or not.
the question has come up over and over again within the tradition, and you rarely get the kind of bile directed at them that you see in some of the posts above.

in any event, lebell, i wasnt talking about your post.
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:59 PM   #24 (permalink)
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There is already enough Hatred in this world without Someones "God" adding to it.


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Old 04-10-2005, 01:22 PM   #25 (permalink)
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What's weird is, it appears the "Wrath of God/Allah" is striking heavily Muslim areas.

1. Tsunami - Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh (I know Thailand is in there and it's mostly Buddhist but the Tsunami hit in the south, a Muslim stronghold.)

2. Earthquakes in Iran

3. More earthquakes in Indonesia (the world's largest Muslim nation)

Sounds like Islam is more likely to "cease to exist" in 2007. Anyways, that America will cease to exist is just the opinion of one "scholar" - fundamentalist etc.

We have our own fundamentalists too. Like the guy who thinks the earth is 4007 years old, or the guy who thinks Jews and gays are responsible for 9/11. Or the other guy who declared a "Crusade" referring to a US mission in the Middle East.

We have our fundamentalist/extremist idiots too, it's not just Muslims, they do not have a monopoly on etremism/fanaticism and stupidity.

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Old 04-17-2005, 06:07 PM   #26 (permalink)
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People have been predicting the end of the world ever since it began.
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Old 04-17-2005, 06:29 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Religion is the Bane of Human Nature......in my opinion.

There is already enough Hatred in this world without Someones "God" adding to it.


In My Opinion.......and it is only an opinion.
I agree wholeheartedly only I would add that religion while it does have it's good points, the very essence of every religious leader is to instill fear, hate and control over its followers whether that was the original purpose that the prophet had or not. (I don't believe Jesus wanted people to fear, hate or control.... but leaders today and in the past have warped his true meanings. I use Christianity solely as an example from which I have enough knowledge to speak of.... I am sure Mohammed and Islam, Judaism, Hindu, Buddhism and so on are pretty much the same....)
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Sounds to me like he's predicting a sunami caused by a superquake along to western coast outside of Washington and Vancouver. Will it happen? Most likely. When? Could be tomorrow. Could be 300 years from now. Will it wipe out the western coast? Much of it. Will it make the recent one look like practice? In terms of number of deaths, yes due to how heavily populated the west coast is. Will it devistate the U.S. economy? Yes. But will it destroy the entire United States? No. Will it hit Canada? Yes. Will it hit Alaska? Yes. Will the sunami travel across the ocean and hit Korea as well? Though not as strongly, Yes. Hmm... he may want to rethink his prediction only wiping out the US... Does it have anything to do with the religion? Not really.
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:10 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:16 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Sounds to me like he's predicting a sunami caused by a superquake along to western coast outside of Washington and Vancouver. Will it happen? Most likely. When? Could be tomorrow. Could be 300 years from now. Will it wipe out the western coast? Much of it. Will it make the recent one look like practice? In terms of number of deaths, yes due to how heavily populated the west coast is. Will it devistate the U.S. economy? Yes. But will it destroy the entire United States? No. Will it hit Canada? Yes. Will it hit Alaska? Yes. Will the sunami travel across the ocean and hit Korea as well? Though not as strongly, Yes. Hmm... he may want to rethink his prediction only wiping out the US... Does it have anything to do with the religion? Not really.
That's lame this dude is just saying stuff that has been science fact for years, the San Andreas is at some point in the relative future going to collapse, when it does the West Coast is going to be in some shit.
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I remember some tv show about prophets of catastrophic events to come. These people believe that in 20 years Denver will be a port city. The Gulf of Mexico will run up to the Great Lakes. etc etc. That would entail some re-adjustments in domestic priorities I dew believe. Interesting stuff. I do know that the Bronze age civilizations across the world got repeatedly knocked down by world wide events possibly akin to that multiple comet whatsisname that hit Jupiter over the course of a day. Who knows what tomorrow brings? Meanwhile l figure I'd just best be keeping on keeping on.

segue over

edit - was it Scheumacher/Levy? something like that anyway. Cool pics when it was going on. So long as you weren't a native of Jupiter that is.
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:19 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by tecoyah
Religion is the Bane of Human Nature......in my opinion.
I think human nature is the bane of human nature. This same sickness that seeps into the heart of religion finds it's way into basically every facet of life. It's seeds are as simple as selfishness and greed. They plant themselves in everything we touch and we have to learn to control those just like we would control rage and depression. Religion is in a large group of things people use as an excuse to do bad things. The hatred is built in and it just happens to manifest in religion. We can't kill religion just because it has an infection. We gain so much from religion that it would be a terrible waste to give up on it. That is of course in my humble opinion.
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