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Old 04-17-2005, 07:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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John Pilger - Palestine

INTRODUCTION - JOHN PILGER

Twenty-five years ago, I made a film called Palestine Is Still The Issue. It was about a nation of people - the Palestinians - forced off their land and later subjected to a military occupation by Israel. An occupation condemned by the United Nations and almost every country in the world, including Britain.

But Israel is backed by a very powerful friend, the United States. So in 25 years, if we're to speak of the great injustice here, nothing has changed. What has changed is that the Palestinians have fought back.

Stateless and humiliated for so long, they've risen up against Israel's huge military machine, although they themselves have no arm, no tanks, no American planes and gun ships or missiles.

Some have committed desperate acts of terror, like suicide bombing. But for Palestinians, the overriding, routine terror, day after day, has been the ruthless control of almost every aspect of their lives, as if they live in an open prison. This film is about the Palestinians and a group of courageous Israelis united in the oldest human struggle - to be free.

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An amazing Journalist, his actual documentary on Palestine gives a good, insight into the illegal Israeli occupation.
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Old 04-17-2005, 08:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So your point being that the Israelis are not entitled to land that was theirs 5700 years ago? that the diaspora, pogroms and holocausts that scattered the jews were ok?

Or the fact that their arab brothers, who have tons of land and money, refuse to help the palestinians in any meaningful way?

If in fact you are merely commenting upon their sorry lot in life, ok. Nobody seems to care about the palestinians except radical elements who want to use them as human bombs. Israel is in fact grudingly giving up land, at the behest of big brother US, to create a palestinian state.

Or are you merely an anti-semite?
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Old 04-17-2005, 08:12 AM   #3 (permalink)
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imho, this does not dignify a response.

And yet I am responding...

Israel is the only democratic state in the middle east, the only state that does not practive teh routine discrimination against women. The call for an arab Palestine is nothing more or less that anii-semitism.... this is not new, or unexpected.
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Old 04-17-2005, 08:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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There land, so the brutal occupation and murder innocent Palestinian is justified because Jews were alledgedly present the thousands of years ago...you do know the majority of Israelies are not even of the semite race, Palestinians are! They (Israeli Jews) have European Decent and anyway this is no excuse for the Zionist crimes against non-Jews.

Why are you so aggressive in defending the fasict state of Israel, why make reference to any Holocaust...is this so you can make your arguement more dramatic and emotional. Why would Jews want to be associated with the current state of Israel and their racist Policies? Unless of course they support these crime...do you support the occupation of Palestinian Muslims and Christians, Do you support the curfews on Palestinian Muslims and Christians? Do you support the security barriers which prevent Palestinian Muslims and Christians from working? Do you support the prevention of Palestinian Muslims and Christians from praying in Jerusalem? The List goes on....

There are Jews however against this - http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com. I think you should have a read of this website and learn why these Jews feel different from yourself, sure they may have some orthadox religious belief but they makes very interesting points, particuarly about the Zionist Jewish relationship with the Nazis...you do know about this yes?

I see you are ignoring the points - John Pilger addresses. He is the most respected Journalist in Britain and No he is not Arab, he knows right from wrong....people like Mandela and even Einstien have spoken out AGAINST Israel....

ps: Did you see the Palestinian Women Runner in the last Olympics. God Bless her courage, she was cheered by everyone!

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Old 04-17-2005, 08:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There land, so the brutal occupation and murder innocent Palestinian is justified because Jews were alledgedly present the thousands of years ago...you do know the majority of Israelies are not even of the semite race, Palestinians are! They (Israeli Jews) have European Decent and anyway this is no excuse for the Zionist crimes against non-Jews.

Why are you so aggressive in defending the fasict state of Israel, why make reference to any Holocaust...is this so you can make your arguement more dramatic and emotional. Why would Jews want to be associated with the current state of Israel and their racist Policies? Unless of course they support these crime...do you support the occupation of Palestinian Muslims and Christians, Do you support the curfews on Palestinian Muslims and Christians? Do you support the security barriers which prevent Palestinian Muslims and Christians from working? Do you support the prevention of Palestinian Muslims and Christians from praying in Jerusalem? The List goes on....

There are Jews however against this - http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com. I think you should have a read of this website and learn why these Jews feel different from yourself, sure they may have some orthadox religious belief but they makes very interesting points, particuarly about the Zionist Jewish relationship with the Nazis...you do know about this yes?

I see you are ignoring the points - John Pilger addresses. He is the most respected Journalist in Britain and No he is not Arab, he knows right from wrong....people like Mandela and even Einstien have spoken out AGAINST Israel....

ps: Did you see the Palestinian Women Runner in the last Olympics. God Bless her courage, she was cheered by everyone!

Im not going to post in this thread anymore, if the moderators of this site wish to allow this sort of thing its up to them.
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Old 04-17-2005, 08:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Israel is the only democratic state in the middle east
Not true, but they are by far the least corrupt and fairest.

And good job biting your tongue S.F. I'm not even bothering with it either.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
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This so borders on Spam.....it cheapens these boards.......Closed for the benefit of those who think
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