Where do you stand on stem cell research? - Page 3 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Mephisto2 · 06-02-2005, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mondak

That really doesn't seem rational at all. Why exactly does not wanting to fund Stem Cell research have to be tied to living in a shack, having electricity, health care (consumers pay for the last two), police, roads, sewage, oil or an auto industry?

It was meant as a rhetorical, and extreme, analogy.

Suffice it to say that I don't subscribe to the "less Government is better" political concept.

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Would you REALLY listen to him after he did these unrelated things?

No. I thought I had made that clear. And, just in case I hadn't, I was being slightly sarcastic. The written word, especially on the internet, is not always accurate or reliable in communicating the subtleties of one's point.

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There are a few things in this world that are true public goods - things that the cost cannot easily be distributed to those who consume the good.

I would say that there are quite a great deal.

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Saying that our government has pushed the definition of public goods too far and this was something that he did not want to pay for (particularly when our government is in massive debt) simply reflects choices and not hypocrisy.

That's true. But the sentence I quoted did not say that. It stated that "personal liberty" was the first "casualty" [sic] of centralized Government. I disagree.

I believe members of society have an obligation to contribute to that society, whether they agree or support all its actions or not. There's a whole different topic for discussion here...

Mr Mephisto

samcol · 06-02-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

I believe members of society have an obligation to contribute to that society, whether they agree or support all its actions or not. There's a whole different topic for discussion here...

Mr Mephisto

This obligation is outlined in a contract called the Constitution. This research is simply not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level. I don't know how much more simple I can make this.

Mephisto2 · 06-02-2005, 08:33 AM

Funding for those with mental retardation is not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level.

Funding for protecting areas of the North American continent (like Yosemite Park) is not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level.

Funding for the war in Iraq is not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level.

The previous three statements are true if, and only if, you believe that an individual taxpayer has the right to dictate, on a case by case basis, how Government funds are spent. But they can't. If they don't like the policies, then they can vote someone else in. But I can guarantee you that whomever is elected won't allow you to "pick and choose" where 'your money' [sic] is spent.

The whole point of a tax system is that it provides the Government with funds, which they distribute as they see fit. You don't get to decide on an individual or case by case basis.

I don't know how much more simple I can make this.

Mr Mephisto

M0oMo0Man · 06-12-2005, 11:27 AM

Stem cell research is the future of not only human's but our breed as well. This means we can make babies all one color eliminating racism. I propose that all our future breed should be supreme, should be white, preferably blonde, blue eyes, so none will be disappointed.

tecoyah · 06-12-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by M0oMo0Man

Stem cell research is the future of not only human's but our breed as well. This means we can make babies all one color eliminating racism. I propose that all our future breed should be supreme, should be white, preferably blonde, blue eyes, so none will be disappointed.

Thus the banning

sentimental_arm · 11-24-2005, 03:33 AM

Let it continue despite opposition. The one's who think it's ethically wrong will probably not benefit from it due to their beliefs so they shouldn't stand in the way of other's who may get the end results of the research. cantona

View Poll Results: Where do you stand on stem cell research?
No, I don't support it. All life is sacred and this is destroying one to save another	1	0.94%
I'm ethically against it, as it's the slippery slope towards worse activity	5	4.72%
I'm undecided	3	2.83%
I support stem cell research and treatment, but not with the destruction of embryos	13	12.26%
Absolutely. Show me where to help fund this important research	84	79.25%
Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

06-02-2005, 08:33 AM	#83 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Funding for those with mental retardation is not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level. Funding for protecting areas of the North American continent (like Yosemite Park) is not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level. Funding for the war in Iraq is not part of anyone's obligation at a federal level. The previous three statements are true if, and only if, you believe that an individual taxpayer has the right to dictate, on a case by case basis, how Government funds are spent. But they can't. If they don't like the policies, then they can vote someone else in. But I can guarantee you that whomever is elected won't allow you to "pick and choose" where 'your money' [sic] is spent. The whole point of a tax system is that it provides the Government with funds, which they distribute as they see fit. You don't get to decide on an individual or case by case basis. I don't know how much more simple I can make this. Mr Mephisto

06-12-2005, 11:27 AM	#84 (permalink)
M0oMo0Man Loser	Stem cell research is the future of not only human's but our breed as well. This means we can make babies all one color eliminating racism. I propose that all our future breed should be supreme, should be white, preferably blonde, blue eyes, so none will be disappointed.

11-24-2005, 03:33 AM	#86 (permalink)
sentimental_arm Upright	Let it continue despite opposition. The one's who think it's ethically wrong will probably not benefit from it due to their beliefs so they shouldn't stand in the way of other's who may get the end results of the research. cantona