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Old 05-30-2005, 08:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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10 reasons not to kill Bush

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The author is obviously writing a spoof but it goes a lot deeper than that. She makes some really interesting observations. Personally, i think she is wrong on most of her points.

COLUMN: 10 reasons not to kill Bush

By Jennifer McBride

Oregon Daily Emerald (U. Oregon)
05/25/2005

COLUMN: 10 reasons not to kill Bush


(U-WIRE) EUGENE, Ore. -- Recently in Georgia, the president gave a speech only to have someone chuck a hand grenade at him. Lucky for all, the blast cap did not explode. Though originally thought to be a dud, the FBI later revealed the weapon was far from safe.

I can't possibly guess the assassin's reasoning, but I've heard enough people on campus proclaiming their hatred of George W. Bush to know that some wouldn't have shed many tears. And that's a shame.

If the assassin were looking for a way to hurt America, blowing up the president would be a good idea. Bush's martyrdom would put the last nail in the coffin of the liberal agenda. So, for those Bush-haters out there, here are 10 reasons you should stop praying for an assassinated G.W.B.:

1) Killing the president immediately generates sympathy for his cause. If the president died tomorrow, there would be no question that all of his nominees for the judicial branch would make it through the Senate.

2) A dead President Bush leaves a live Dick Cheney in charge. Need I say more?

3) The Pakistani political situation is drastically fragile. Should President Bush die, Musharraf's brutal, mostly secular dictatorship probably will be replaced by a brutal, religiously fundamental dictatorship, reducing the United States' chances of bringing in Osama bin Laden to nil.

4) Any criticisms of the administration will be regarded as more unpatriotic than ever. In the next election, you could expect to see Democratic primary candidates proclaiming that their Republican counterparts aren't "fit to follow in President Bush's footsteps."

5) Killing President Bush could spur another spate of international invasions, with or without U.N. approval. The U.S. military cannot deal with invading another country without further hollowing our ability to defend ourselves and respond to threats from other countries, such as a nuclear North Korea.

6) The news cycle would be justly co-opted. With the media so focused on one story, there wouldn't be time to examine important issues such as the government suppression in Uzbekistan or Egyptian election tampering. In fact, all foreign news that didn't directly affect the assassination would probably grind to a halt.

7) President Bush's status as a martyr would leave the electorate more polarized than ever, especially if liberals were seen as publicly irreverent to President Bush's memory. It would be a little different if natural selection decreed death-by-snacking, but toasting an assassin's success leaves a decidedly bitter taste in the national mouth.

8) Jeb Bush's popularity would skyrocket. He would undoubtedly win the Republican nomination and then the election in 2008. With the Supreme Court full of near-zombies, I would prefer a different man to pick the people who are going to strangle us with laws.

9) Killing George Bush won't end any of the policies people disagree with. An assassination would merely strengthen our resolve to stay the course in Iraq, keep troops in Saudi Arabia, support our Israeli allies, etc. Policies don't die just because the president does.

10) Slaying President Bush is simply immoral. Anyone who advocates purposefully killing someone defenseless (and a democratically elected leader, no less) is clearly value-challenged. I don't understand the logical contortions some people must go through to be anti-death penalty yet pro-assassination.

In all seriousness, I don't hate President Bush. I dislike a lot of his administration's choices, but I think he's a good man doing a difficult job. As a leader, you're always going to be hated. I am too often shocked by the vitriolic repulsion many people feel for our leader and America in general, especially because the loathing is often poorly informed. I've met people on this campus who see America as the worst human rights abuser in the world (unlike the angelic paradise of Cambodia) and people who sway liberal not because they actually know anything about issues but because it's popular.

Liberalism has to be more than a college fad or a collection of loudmouths whose idiotic comments stir headlines. The rabid dislike some people feel for a man they've never even met makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.
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Old 05-30-2005, 09:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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someone's gonna get a post card from the Pres. guard...
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Old 05-30-2005, 09:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'll leave this for now, but be warned!

Don't make this into another repetitive "I hate Bush!" bashing thread.

Do something constructive with it or hit your "back" button.
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Old 05-30-2005, 09:16 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I find the fact that someone can still write this and get it published in a newspaper, shows Bush hasn't infringed upon rights as much as some of my more extremist Dem. brothers would insist or predicted he would.

Not saying it isn't coming...... but so far it hasn't.
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Old 05-30-2005, 09:20 AM   #5 (permalink)
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If Bush were assassinated the left would assume it was Rove's doing in order to guarantee another Republican president
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Old 05-30-2005, 09:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Interesting "What if..." scenario. When filtered through a Republican lense most of the list would not be seen as all that bad.

If anything I am just continually amazed at the level of animosity on either side of the debate. This isn't all that different from the mouth foaming I remember coming out when Clinton was getting impeached.

The best thing to do is just shrug and move on... until such a time as Bush dies in office this is all just pointless speculation that does little but serve to amuse the politcally naive... at best it provides a solid arguement to terrorists aginst killing Bush.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:05 AM   #7 (permalink)
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This isn't all that different from the mouth foaming I remember coming out when Clinton was getting impeached.
I have to disagree. This is far different than Clinton's impeachment.

We thought Clinton was far more worried about his image than the interests of the United States, but the vitrol to the point of wishing him dead just wasn't there. I'm sure you could find a nutjob or two, but the vitriol from the marxist left is far surpasses the anti-Clinton feelings.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Ustwo... I don't get from the article that the person wishes Bush dead... quite the contrary. The person wishing him dead in this article is a foreign national. I am quite sure there were any number of such types who wished Clinton dead.

My point was not that people wish Bush dead rather that there is as much foaming at the mouth and hair pulling over the fact that he continues to be in office (for whatever the reason of the day is...). The vitriol was there then and it's there now...
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:24 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I have to disagree. This is far different than Clinton's impeachment.

We thought Clinton was far more worried about his image than the interests of the United States, but the vitrol to the point of wishing him dead just wasn't there. I'm sure you could find a nutjob or two, but the vitriol from the marxist left is far surpasses the anti-Clinton feelings.
Hmmmm seem to recall G. Gordon Liddy on his radio show saying he named his targets Bill and Hilary for practice.

Limbaugh cracking "suicide watch" jokes on how Clinton needed psychiatric help or would end up under one.

And my favorite, rockstar Ted Nugent saying on his radio show that he would love to take Bill hunting and have an "accident".

I thought those were the voices of your GOP in the 90's.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
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My point was not that people wish Bush dead rather that there is as much foaming at the mouth and hair pulling over the fact that he continues to be in office (for whatever the reason of the day is...). The vitriol was there then and it's there now...
I guess I put wishing someone dead on a higher(lower?) plane of hate than wanting someone out of office.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Wait, I don't see the Bush bashing. In fact, I thought the article was ok, not hysterical or nuthin' and the poster was mature and even conciliatory. I did not see any evidence of Bush-bashing. Maybe belongs in "Humor/satire"?

On a side note, I don't see the so-called liberal-left. In fact, I would say that our country swings pretty hard right. On my college campus (in LA mind you), it's pretty conservative, plus it's trendy to bash liberals. There are definitely a few vocal Bush-bashers but far and few between, plus no ones listening anyways. I think the right is too hyper and paranoid about imaginary Bush-bashing and America hating. I feel it's all a fabrication, this supposed liberal bias etc.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I have to disagree. This is far different than Clinton's impeachment.

We thought Clinton was far more worried about his image than the interests of the United States, but the vitrol to the point of wishing him dead just wasn't there. I'm sure you could find a nutjob or two, but the vitriol from the marxist left is far surpasses the anti-Clinton feelings.
No way. Bush has comparatively been given a free ride by the press and public. I'm sure if you were actually compare the people on either side actually advocating the assassination of Clinton or Bush that it would be basically equal. Of course actually putting such a sentiment in print is itself illegal so good luck finding proof.

Bush embarasses me to be an American, on a regular basis. The real genius of the Clinton impeachment is that it weakened the impeachment process to where when we have a leader who actually deserves to be impeached, Bush, the notion gets tossed aside.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:35 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I guess I put wishing someone dead on a higher(lower?) plane of hate than wanting someone out of office.
Perhaps you do, but again GOP voices Liddy, Limbaugh and Nugent didn't.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:43 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Perhaps you do, but again GOP voices Liddy, Limbaugh and Nugent didn't.
Can't speak for Liddy or Nugent, don't listen to them, but point to me where Limbaugh wanted Clinton dead.

Everything Limbaugh says is taped so I'll save you the trouble, you can't. So please, when you invoke the names of demons to the marxist mind, please do so with more caution, I won't let you get away with it.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:55 AM   #15 (permalink)
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ok... putting on my tin foil hat now... thinking real hard like Tom Terrific...

what are the alternatives??? Mr. Internet Inventer??? 57 Varieties??? Billary???

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

***sarcasm***
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Old 05-30-2005, 11:15 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Can't speak for Liddy or Nugent, don't listen to them, but point to me where Limbaugh wanted Clinton dead.

Everything Limbaugh says is taped so I'll save you the trouble, you can't. So please, when you invoke the names of demons to the marxist mind, please do so with more caution, I won't let you get away with it.
He didn't come out as brash as Liddy or Nugent.... however he did have a "suicide watch" for Clinton.... and unlike Liddy and Nugent who were probably far more serious than joking, Limbaugh's intent I'm 100% sure was for entertainment purposes and meant as a joke..... much as the article this thread is based on was meant to be seen as.

I was just stating examples of where GOP talking heads talked and laughed about the death of their "arch enemy" much the same as some Dems are doing now to Bush.

You claimed that the GOP was above that.... I was proving you wrong. It's politics and from the beginning of this nation talk of the death of the opposition when president has always been there.

Look at what Burr and Alexander did to each other, granted neither was president but both were considered strong candidates for their parties. One reason the warnings in Dallas that said if JFK went he'd get killed there, was it was commonplace and is still today commonplace.... is it right or wrong... it's wrong but it doesn't stop it from happening or from people making jokes about it.
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ok... putting on my tin foil hat now... thinking real hard like Tom Terrific...

what are the alternatives??? Mr. Internet Inventer??? 57 Varieties??? Billary???

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

***sarcasm***
No, but it allows the eventual start of a strong 3rd party to happen much faster with much more support.

TRUMP IN '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-30-2005, 02:09 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The article pretty well elaborates the implications of a dead GW. The labelling of "unpatriotic" to anyone less than sobbing their eyes out, the strengthening of both our own and foreign powers' resolve, and all the rest of it. I think it's a pretty fair guess on pretty much all accounts. However...

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...I fail to see how this "democrat" sees idiotic comments coming only from "liberals", or that they're "a collection of loudmouths", any more than any outspoken "conservative" or group of conservatives are. Also, i'm curious what the point of the whole article really is... it really does nothing more than allow the writer to hypothesize what a Bush-free world would look like, regardless of whether it's optimistic or not. I really don't gather much from the article that suggests any useful intent.
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Old 05-30-2005, 02:28 PM   #19 (permalink)
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If Bush were assassinated the left would assume it was Rove's doing in order to guarantee another Republican president

Ya know what? Stupid comments like that are why Halx posted the angry warning the other day. The left would not assume that, I don't for a minute believe that you would be so asinine as to think the left would assume that, and that leaves only the conclusion that you are trolling.

I'd just as soon keep a politics forum around, and taking potshots like that seems to be a good way to make sure that doesn't happen.

Not to mention the fact that it makes you (and under the principle of guilt by association, all the other neo-cons) look rather petulant.
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Old 05-30-2005, 05:47 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The article pretty well elaborates the implications of a dead GW. The labelling of "unpatriotic" to anyone less than sobbing their eyes out, the strengthening of both our own and foreign powers' resolve, and all the rest of it. I think it's a pretty fair guess on pretty much all accounts. However...
I'm reminded of the bashing I got when I questioned the slavish panegyrics that followed Reagan's death.

Not everyone thought he was an American Hero [sic], but boy did they keep their heads low during the period of (semi)official mourning.

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Also, i'm curious what the point of the whole article really is... it really does nothing more than allow the writer to hypothesize what a Bush-free world would look like, regardless of whether it's optimistic or not. I really don't gather much from the article that suggests any useful intent.
Well, there are lots of articles that have "no point". It's obviously an opinion piece, so it's raison d'ętre is simply to share personal thoughts. I thought it was quite interesting and mildly amusing.

I particularly liked the comment " I don't hate President Bush. I dislike a lot of his administration's choices, but I think he's a good man doing a difficult job." That, more or less, sums up my own position. I probably feel a little bit more strongly about Bush, but I certainly do not hate him, think him an evil man or wish for his demise.

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Old 05-30-2005, 06:18 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ya know what? Stupid comments like that are why Halx posted the angry warning the other day. The left would not assume that, I don't for a minute believe that you would be so asinine as to think the left would assume that, and that leaves only the conclusion that you are trolling.

I'd just as soon keep a politics forum around, and taking potshots like that seems to be a good way to make sure that doesn't happen.

Not to mention the fact that it makes you (and under the principle of guilt by association, all the other neo-cons) look rather petulant.

And attacks like this are another reason Halx posted the warning.......if we cant play nice....we dont play at all

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Old 05-30-2005, 06:26 PM   #22 (permalink)
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There's a reason there is a "report this post to a moderator" button in every post. Rather than snapping back, use the damn thing... or threads get closed.
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