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sngx1275 · 04-20-2003, 08:53 PM

I think this is going to work out just fine. So we lost Roy, but I think we got a damn good replacement. Championship game in 2 years. Thats my guess.

cub4life78 · 04-20-2003, 09:08 PM

I am a fellow Jayhawker in Lawrence and I for one am glad Roy left. He had at one time a roster of all NBA players and still couldn't win it all, that right there tells me maybe it's the coach. Just a hunch though....

bond007 · 04-20-2003, 10:19 PM

yeah, it was Roy's fault that Wayne Simien got hurt. it was Roy's fault that Syracuse made all those 3-pointers. and, it was Roy's fault that Nick Collison couldn't make a free throw.

opentocomments · 04-20-2003, 10:43 PM

FARK KU

<b> GO Mizzou </b>

Jadey · 04-20-2003, 10:52 PM

SHIIIIITTTTTT!!!! You can have that damn ASSHOLE! Bill Self is such a punk. How do walk out on a University after recruiting it's best class of incoming freshman ever.

Okay. Now that I got that out of my system. SHHHIIITTTTTT! What an ASSHOLE!!!

Sorry.

I really can't blame him. If he doesn't want to be at Illinois, then we don't want him. I can understand him wanting to go back to the Big 8 (Big 12 now) that he came from. I just hope that Illinois can bring in someone else decent to take over this VERY talented young team. I am glad that Self is at least "leaving the shelves stocked" in Champaign.

gov135 · 04-21-2003, 08:26 AM

I think its an awful move for Self and I just don't get it.

Its not like he made a major jump up. This is not going from the University of Buffalo to Duke.

Self will be the guy who follows Williams, and who wants to be that guy. He was well-liked in Illinois and was paid well and would have been paid better.

Kansas is getting a great coach. Guess I just don't see the appeal to Self. Its not money, fame, or any more of a chance to win it all.

poipu2000 · 04-21-2003, 09:11 AM

I think he made a mistake. Illinois b-ball has been pretty good lately and there's lots of great prep stars to choose from in the area. Kansas is Kansas, but will players decide to go there now that Roy W is gone?

The_Dude · 04-21-2003, 01:42 PM

heard that some players are going to leave, (remember reading something before that langford saying he'd leave if williams left)

anyway, that'd suck for one.

and remember, self started his coaching career @ kansas!

kinda like williams returning to his alma matter.

bond007 · 04-21-2003, 05:43 PM

Dude, any players threatening to leave were doing so before Self was hired. it's highly doubtful that any of 'em are wanting to leave now.

The_Dude · 04-21-2003, 06:42 PM

langford did seem awfully pissed

Cycler · 04-21-2003, 07:20 PM

Well I think KU got a good coach, on the same vein I am sorry to see that Self went because now it makes it difficult to see that he will come down to Oklahoma State after Eddie Sutton leaves. Go Big XII in any case.

sngx1275 · 04-21-2003, 07:24 PM

Langford and all the other players have said they are going to stay. All those quotes everyone read about the players being real pissed off were from right after Roy told them and then subsequently left right away to fly to NC. I'm sure they still aren't real happy, but they aren't as mad as they first were.

Self's step up to KU isn't a HUGE leap, but it is a jump to a top 4 or 5 basketball program. UNC, Kentucky, KU, Duke, and ... well thats pretty much it for the top tier college basketball programs.

cub4life78 · 04-21-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by bond007
yeah, it was Roy's fault that Wayne Simien got hurt. it was Roy's fault that Syracuse made all those 3-pointers. and, it was Roy's fault that Nick Collison couldn't make a free throw.

I don't recall bringing up a single point about the championship game....dick....

JoeyB · 04-22-2003, 10:45 AM

Self could be a good fit at Kansas.

I hope those fans who criticized Roy Williams' loyalty are happy with a coach who jumped programs yet again leaving behind recruits.

I see nothing wrong with coaches moving on. How many people do you know who work at the same place for 40 years? The fans who blasted Williams for accepting a job which benefitted himself and his family need to be open to the idea that in current sports, this thing happens.

Self will succeed with the Jayhawks, but let's not be hypercritical of someone for leaving behind recruits--only when they're your recruits. It happens. It's unfortunate and those incoming freshman should be allowed to transfer when it happens....but it's just a part of the game today.

The_Dude · 04-22-2003, 02:58 PM

KU ROCKS

jrcobra · 04-23-2003, 04:49 PM

As a lifelong KU fan, I'm happy with where it's going. It is kind of hard to accept a coach that is basically doing the same thing that the coach that left did but I say do what makes you happy. F everybody else. Accepting Self does mean you have to go easier on Williams. We'll bounce back. KU has a top notch basketball program. They don't get the respect they deserve, of course, losing big games doesn't help any.

The_Dude · 04-23-2003, 06:30 PM

yeah, if they could just win the big games.......

wish the longhorns would do the same

smarm · 04-24-2003, 05:18 AM

It amuses me (and scares me just a little) to see how much drama the coaching changes cause. 3 Years ago, Roy was a traitor and a horrible person in Chapel Hill because he turned the Heels down. Now he's a saviour because he actually said yes.

In Kansas he was a dynastic wondercoach until he left, then he "never won the big one," his kids shot free throws poorly, he wasn't a good X's and O's man, etc. Not to mention being a traitor and horrible person. The great KU program is glad to be rid of a person who doesn't value loyalty, etc.

Now KU is hiring a guy who according to the Illini fans "doesn't value loyalty" etc. and on down it goes.

It was fascinating to watch the rumor mongering at insidecarolina.com, phog.net, and illiniboard.com. The bloviating and hyperventillating was tremendous on all sides. Suffice it to say, perspective was a little hard to find.

All-in-all, these guys all left for better jobs and more money... it's hard to fault them for it.

JoeyB · 04-24-2003, 05:45 AM

Smarm,

You accurately summarized the hypocrisy of sports. It's so easy to be bitter when you're on the losing end of the coaching carousel, but as soon as it benefits you, those values and opinions quickly go out the window.

smarm · 04-24-2003, 07:14 AM

All that being said... I'm real happy Roy's the coach at UNC ...

JoeyB · 04-24-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by smarm
All that being said... I'm real happy Roy's the coach at UNC ...

It's obviously been a dream of his to coach there and I'm happy he was able to fulfill that dream.

He didn't make a rash decision--either 3 years ago when he decided to stay, or now when he decided to leave--and I hope the Kansas fans can now focus on the future instead of dwelling in the past.

The_Dude · 04-24-2003, 02:08 PM

that's life

04-20-2003, 08:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
sngx1275 Loser Location: Central Missouri	Bill Self and KU I think this is going to work out just fine. So we lost Roy, but I think we got a damn good replacement. Championship game in 2 years. Thats my guess.

04-20-2003, 10:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
opentocomments Psycho Location: St. Louis	FARK KU <b> GO Mizzou </b> __________________ How do we know that the sky is not green and we are all color-blind?

04-21-2003, 09:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
poipu2000 Upright Location: Los Angeles	I think he made a mistake. Illinois b-ball has been pretty good lately and there's lots of great prep stars to choose from in the area. Kansas is Kansas, but will players decide to go there now that Roy W is gone? __________________ What the %@#*?

04-21-2003, 01:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	heard that some players are going to leave, (remember reading something before that langford saying he'd leave if williams left) anyway, that'd suck for one. and remember, self started his coaching career @ kansas! kinda like williams returning to his alma matter. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

04-21-2003, 06:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	langford did seem awfully pissed __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

04-20-2003, 09:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
cub4life78 Insane Location: Kansas	I am a fellow Jayhawker in Lawrence and I for one am glad Roy left. He had at one time a roster of all NBA players and still couldn't win it all, that right there tells me maybe it's the coach. Just a hunch though....

04-20-2003, 10:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	yeah, it was Roy's fault that Wayne Simien got hurt. it was Roy's fault that Syracuse made all those 3-pointers. and, it was Roy's fault that Nick Collison couldn't make a free throw.

04-20-2003, 10:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jadey This Space For Rent Location: Davenport, Iowa	SHIIIIITTTTTT!!!! You can have that damn ASSHOLE! Bill Self is such a punk. How do walk out on a University after recruiting it's best class of incoming freshman ever. Okay. Now that I got that out of my system. SHHHIIITTTTTT! What an ASSHOLE!!! Sorry. I really can't blame him. If he doesn't want to be at Illinois, then we don't want him. I can understand him wanting to go back to the Big 8 (Big 12 now) that he came from. I just hope that Illinois can bring in someone else decent to take over this VERY talented young team. I am glad that Self is at least "leaving the shelves stocked" in Champaign.

04-21-2003, 08:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	I think its an awful move for Self and I just don't get it. Its not like he made a major jump up. This is not going from the University of Buffalo to Duke. Self will be the guy who follows Williams, and who wants to be that guy. He was well-liked in Illinois and was paid well and would have been paid better. Kansas is getting a great coach. Guess I just don't see the appeal to Self. Its not money, fame, or any more of a chance to win it all.

04-21-2003, 05:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	Dude, any players threatening to leave were doing so before Self was hired. it's highly doubtful that any of 'em are wanting to leave now.

04-21-2003, 07:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cycler Float on.... Alright Location: Where the wind comes sweeping down the plains, i.e. Oklahoma	Well I think KU got a good coach, on the same vein I am sorry to see that Self went because now it makes it difficult to see that he will come down to Oklahoma State after Eddie Sutton leaves. Go Big XII in any case. __________________ "I'm not even supposed to be here today." "I assure you we're open."

04-21-2003, 07:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
sngx1275 Loser Location: Central Missouri	Langford and all the other players have said they are going to stay. All those quotes everyone read about the players being real pissed off were from right after Roy told them and then subsequently left right away to fly to NC. I'm sure they still aren't real happy, but they aren't as mad as they first were. Self's step up to KU isn't a HUGE leap, but it is a jump to a top 4 or 5 basketball program. UNC, Kentucky, KU, Duke, and ... well thats pretty much it for the top tier college basketball programs.

04-22-2003, 10:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Self could be a good fit at Kansas. I hope those fans who criticized Roy Williams' loyalty are happy with a coach who jumped programs yet again leaving behind recruits. I see nothing wrong with coaches moving on. How many people do you know who work at the same place for 40 years? The fans who blasted Williams for accepting a job which benefitted himself and his family need to be open to the idea that in current sports, this thing happens. Self will succeed with the Jayhawks, but let's not be hypercritical of someone for leaving behind recruits--only when they're your recruits. It happens. It's unfortunate and those incoming freshman should be allowed to transfer when it happens....but it's just a part of the game today. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

04-22-2003, 02:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	KU ROCKS __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

04-23-2003, 04:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
jrcobra Upright Location: Wichita, KS sometimes Austin, TX	As a lifelong KU fan, I'm happy with where it's going. It is kind of hard to accept a coach that is basically doing the same thing that the coach that left did but I say do what makes you happy. F everybody else. Accepting Self does mean you have to go easier on Williams. We'll bounce back. KU has a top notch basketball program. They don't get the respect they deserve, of course, losing big games doesn't help any. __________________ *West Side Certified...*

04-23-2003, 06:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	yeah, if they could just win the big games....... wish the longhorns would do the same __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

04-24-2003, 05:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
smarm Insane	It amuses me (and scares me just a little) to see how much drama the coaching changes cause. 3 Years ago, Roy was a traitor and a horrible person in Chapel Hill because he turned the Heels down. Now he's a saviour because he actually said yes. In Kansas he was a dynastic wondercoach until he left, then he "never won the big one," his kids shot free throws poorly, he wasn't a good X's and O's man, etc. Not to mention being a traitor and horrible person. The great KU program is glad to be rid of a person who doesn't value loyalty, etc. Now KU is hiring a guy who according to the Illini fans "doesn't value loyalty" etc. and on down it goes. It was fascinating to watch the rumor mongering at insidecarolina.com, phog.net, and illiniboard.com. The bloviating and hyperventillating was tremendous on all sides. Suffice it to say, perspective was a little hard to find. All-in-all, these guys all left for better jobs and more money... it's hard to fault them for it.

04-24-2003, 05:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Smarm, You accurately summarized the hypocrisy of sports. It's so easy to be bitter when you're on the losing end of the coaching carousel, but as soon as it benefits you, those values and opinions quickly go out the window. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

04-24-2003, 07:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
smarm Insane	All that being said... I'm real happy Roy's the coach at UNC ...

04-24-2003, 02:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	that's life __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal