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Old 10-09-2003, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Poor Kobe...

Man, those are some tough allegations. I dunno, I get a bad feeling about this one. Kobe may be going bye-bye...

Whaddya all think?
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If it's true he is fucked, no question about it.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I listened to Andrea Kramer recount the details of the testimony. The story presented seemed... very detailed (and with one near witness - the bellboy she told what happened to immeadiately after). Three photographs were entered one of the neck and two of the vaginal area. The prosecution will, when it is time, bring experts to the stand. Of course the defense will have their own.

Kurant, remember that Kobe's side hasn't said a peep, so it's gonna look bad until they get their chance.

I just can't help but think this will come down to the he said/she said battle we are accustomed to. And from what has been leaked about her mental history...
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Old 10-09-2003, 04:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Very true, however.. Those are pretty specific events, and VERY strong allegations to be accusing Kobe of. And of course, your right, Kobe hasen't presented anything. So it does make him look extremly bad, however, that story is like you said, is very detailed, and covers some significant events in a very detailed fashion.

BTW was it not Andrea Kramer who did the interview with that Judge from North Dakota, if I remember right, they can't so called, "attack" her with the issue of her credibility, because of her supposed mental history. It's the law in Colorado. I'll see if I can dig it up on MSN. Very intresting reading.

I'd like to see it not being true, but, you have to question yourself now. I was for sure it was a big pile of shit, but after reading about what was said today, I am beginning to think, this is a much, much bigger deal then I think ANYONE anticipated.
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Old 10-09-2003, 05:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I just heard that the prosecutor has reduced the charges. Turns out the first 8 inches were consenual.
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Old 10-09-2003, 08:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If the defense can show this girl has emotional or mental issues, I think a jury will give Kobe the benefit of the doubt because of who he is and he will walk.
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Old 10-10-2003, 09:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I am gonna miss Kobe. He's got no chance in hell.
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Old 10-10-2003, 09:49 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I think you need to remember that the story was only told by a detective. The way the "victim" (in quotes only because I have no idea whether the story is true or false) tells it to the jury and the stock they put in her will be a major influence in the decision.
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Old 10-10-2003, 09:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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If Kobe did what he is accused of then he deserves whatever comes his way - but - If he is innocent then they should hang her ass to the limit of the law. Kobe's defense, judging on her conduct yesterday, knows a whole lot more about what went down than we do and I would imagine at this point a small town proscecutor is waiting for the first shoe to drop because I have a feeling that what he got yesterday was just the sound of the laces being untied. Rape is, next to murder, the most serious of all crimes and should be - an accusation that is false should be dealt with just as harshly. This is going to get really interesting before the jury renders its decision.
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Old 10-10-2003, 10:50 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The girl is a complete whack job based on the little information that has been leaked. She has cried rape before... had attempted suicide... tried out for american idol... uses drugs... seems like a confused little girl trying anything for attention. Don't kid yourself, many women falsely accuse men of rape all the time for a lot less reasons then this one could be doing it for.

Good luck Kobe, I for one am rooting for ya
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Old 10-10-2003, 01:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I feel if they didn't have strong evidence on this one it wouldn't even of gone to trial. I also think if the defense had a strong case they wouldn't be having this kind of testimony in a pre-trial hearing. That almost never happens this early in a case and I think the defense is looking for anything to maybe find a loop hole in. Nah nah nah nah.... nah nah nah nah ...Hey hey hey GOODBYE!
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Old 10-10-2003, 01:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I just got two syllables for you.... OJ

thats right, if he can get off the hook for killing his wife and boyfriend, then you know that kobe will for sure get off the hook.... it always happens... if you got money nowadays you can get away with just about anything...

oh one more name... R KELLY... he'll avoid jail time and he's been fucking little teenage girls and taking photos & video of them for years....

Sad... yes but its not the first time....
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Old 10-10-2003, 02:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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It's completely different, and it doesn't involve money.

Kobe could offer the girl millions and millions, but it's not her descision. After she turns evidence over to the DA, it's not her choice to drop charges, or move on without trial. The choice made to file charges, and take this to court is made by the DA. The law in Colorado makes it that way. The DA doesn't need money. If the case involved a payoff, or offering her money to keep her pie hole shut, this would have never gone this far. Money is not an issue here, no matter what anyone says. If Kobe did it, he WILL go to jail for some amount of time. The DA has persued this like any other human being, he dont' give 2 fucks if it's Kobe Bryant or Joe Shmoe.

OJ's case was also completely different. It was a mess from the start, tampered evidence, ineligable evidence, and just a general fuckup from the prosecuting team allowed him to get off. If he killed his wife and her boyfriend, only the prosecution is to blame. The jurt can't use inadmissiable evidence against him. That's our wonderful justice system, it sucks, I know, but that's the cold hard facts.

R. Kelly, who knows. He didn't rape anyone, apparently. He's having consenual sex with minors, and video taping them. It may be morally wrong, and somthing he should do hard time for, but in the wonderful justice system in America, they don't see it that way.

Maybe you should blame the justice system, instead of point fingers at cold hard cash. If Kobe is guilty, he'll do the time, I guarentee it.
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Old 10-10-2003, 02:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
considering the recent facts, kobe will be fine. i suppose the odds are against him, but hey he's rich! his wife is still sticking by his side because of all the things that he's bought her..i mean why would you still stay with a guy that cheated on you and is being accused of rape? furthermore, kobe's bail is $750,000. sucks to be him. to bad the legal system works this way. they can raise the bail as much as they want as long as it's reasonable to the amount you make. he makes alot. therefore he has to pay alot. good luck kobe, hope to see you back on the lakers with the new team.
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Old 10-10-2003, 08:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Kobe's lawyers aren't no joke, they're pretty good. They're building a strong defense, raising a decent arguement for almost every point the Prosecution makes. The case will probably hinge on the testimony of the girl. And even then, it's probably only a 50-50 chance that Kobe would be convicted. If Kobe testifies and looks good, the odds are good he'll probably walk on reasonable doubt.
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Old 10-11-2003, 01:05 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Hmm. "Poor Kobe" might apply if they aren't true. In which case his cheatin' ways, which should earn him no more than an arse-kicking from his wife, have ruined his name.

If he's guilty of rape, then he ain't "poor" anything. He's a shitbag.
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Old 10-11-2003, 01:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Plan9
Don't kid yourself, many women falsely accuse men of rape all the time for a lot less reasons then this one could be doing it for.
Of course, if, as married man, you aren't out trying to fuck every groupie that comes your way, it tends to reduce the risk a bit.

Guy's a ho.
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Old 10-11-2003, 09:15 PM   #18 (permalink)
The girl's a nut job. No way the prosecution gets a conviction without her testimony. She cracks like an egg dropped from 10 feet up if and when that happens. Kobe walks, Lakers roll. Kobe cheated on his wife, doesn't make him a rapist.
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Old 10-14-2003, 12:09 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The girl's a nut job. No way the prosecution gets a conviction without her testimony. She cracks like an egg dropped from 10 feet up if and when that happens. Kobe walks, Lakers roll. Kobe cheated on his wife, doesn't make him a rapist.

As much as I hate Kobe and the Lakers, I might have to agree with everything you said.
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Old 10-14-2003, 02:16 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Regardless if the story is true or false, this girls life is over after the trial, when she is at work, people will know she is the one who brought this up. I guess her consolation will be the civil case that will be brought up as soon as the criminal one is done...
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