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JoeyB · 06-02-2003, 05:23 AM

We've talked about Mario Lemieux's concerns about Pittsburgh's finances before on TFP, but now there are reports that instead of just retiring, he's thinking about playing elsewhere, with Detroit, New York and Toronto listed as possible stops.

Should Lemieux just retire and be an owner?

Would you rather he plays out his days with the Pens?

Should he try for another cup somewhere else?

Glory's Sun · 06-02-2003, 05:36 AM

I think he should just retire. As a Detroit fan I don't want him there. He's past his prime and while he'll still make some decent plays I feel like he'll be tying up a spot that someone younger could be playing. Of the 3 listed, Toronto would be the best spot for him if he decides to keep playing. He's had a great career..he doesn't need to be the MJ of hockey and keep coming back.

BigBlueWrecking · 06-02-2003, 09:37 AM

I am a Rangers fan, and don't really want him. Sather said that it was far fetched at best. I would hate to see him in another uniform, that is for sure. He is one of the few that have been with the same team and been loyal to them. Too bad they are going broke.

jmf1234 · 06-02-2003, 03:23 PM

He is loyal to us. I couldnt imagine our team if he leaves. i hate the fucking Rangers, take Kovalev and now try and poach Lemieux? they're worse then the Capitals (bribed Jagr), and they cant make it into the playoffs with such a ridiculous amount of money. Fuck the Rangers. When he retires it had better be in a pens uniform.

BigBlueWrecking · 06-02-2003, 04:10 PM

One thing on Kovalev...the Rangers did not exactly take him from you guys. It was a trade. The Pens did not have to trade him. I would be mad at your teams fans and ownership for not putting the money back into the team. Pitt is a big enough market to support that team, they just don't.

Glory's Sun · 06-02-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by BigBlueWrecking
One thing on Kovalev...the Rangers did not exactly take him from you guys. It was a trade. The Pens did not have to trade him. I would be mad at your teams fans and ownership for not putting the money back into the team. Pitt is a big enough market to support that team, they just don't.

Well the pens had to trade him to stay afloat..and of course who better to sell him to than the Money Happy rangers.. they make more mistakes with their money. But as you said the fans should feel responsible. They have a bad turnout at games that's for sure..could they be the next whalers?

JoeyB · 06-02-2003, 04:43 PM

Lemieux has now come out to bury any rumors of him moving. If he's playing, he'll do so in Western Pennsylvania. Otherwise, he'll slip up to the owners box.

Let's move on to Mark Messier.....

BigBlueWrecking · 06-02-2003, 05:14 PM

Mark is my favorite hockey player of all time. I have met him a couple of times, and he is the coolest guy ever. He might be one of the greates leaders ever. That said, he might need to hang them up. It hurts me to say that, but he is getting up there, and every coach we have seems to be intimidated by him and end up giving him too many minutes. He put up pretty good numbers last year though.

Glory's Sun · 06-02-2003, 05:52 PM

I agree.. while he's not my fav of all time.. I think he's a great leader. He does need to hang up the skates though. I could see him possibly going about 10 mins a game or something like that but no more. As far as who my fav of all time is.. why that's easy it's Steve Yzerman...now there's a leader

JoeyB · 06-02-2003, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by BigBlueWrecking
Mark is my favorite hockey player of all time. I have met him a couple of times, and he is the coolest guy ever. He might be one of the greates leaders ever. That said, he might need to hang them up. It hurts me to say that, but he is getting up there, and every coach we have seems to be intimidated by him and end up giving him too many minutes. He put up pretty good numbers last year though.

Messier is probably the most competitive player in the last decade and you would be hard-pressed to find a more-respected hockey player in NY. Without him, the Rangers would still be dreaming about a cup.

He needs to have one last shining moment and then skate away.

Young Link · 06-02-2003, 11:07 PM

The problem with the Rangers is too many "chiefs" and not enough "indians".

You can put all of the Lindros', Bure's, Carter's and Kovalev's you want... it's still not going to give you a good team.

BigBlueWrecking · 06-03-2003, 05:39 AM

I disagree, for all of the players you named...none are Chiefs. All of those players, maybe not Carter becuase he is young, shy away from leadership. That is why Mark may be back next year. The real problem in that crowd is that not a one of them can play D. Throw in the fact that Trottier was an idiot....and there you have last season. I love that they picked up Holik, and he is a leader and plays D. Put him on a line with Kovalev and Carter. Put Lindros, Bure, and maybe a McCarthey or a bruiser on another line. Nedved, Samuelson, and Lundmark on the third line, and Mess with some decent role players on a lesser used fourth line. Make a commitment to D, and keep the Leetch's, Kasp, and some other defenseman and I think we have a hockey team. They need one or two more defensemen, and then just commit to playing D.

Hey Glen, I should be the coach

bender · 06-03-2003, 11:22 AM

You know love him or hate him you have to respect him, for what he does on and off the ice.
But that being said I do think that its time for him to take a few years off and come back behind the bench.
He will make a great coach

Glory's Sun · 06-03-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by BigBlueWrecking
I disagree, for all of the players you named...none are Chiefs. All of those players, maybe not Carter becuase he is young, shy away from leadership. That is why Mark may be back next year. The real problem in that crowd is that not a one of them can play D. Throw in the fact that Trottier was an idiot....and there you have last season. I love that they picked up Holik, and he is a leader and plays D. Put him on a line with Kovalev and Carter. Put Lindros, Bure, and maybe a McCarthey or a bruiser on another line. Nedved, Samuelson, and Lundmark on the third line, and Mess with some decent role players on a lesser used fourth line. Make a commitment to D, and keep the Leetch's, Kasp, and some other defenseman and I think we have a hockey team. They need one or two more defensemen, and then just commit to playing D.

Hey Glen, I should be the coach

The Rangers and Knicks have the same problems..I guess maybe it has something to do with the fact that they are owned by the same company/person. The Rangers have a HUGE payroll and can't do crap. People always talked about the Red Wings "buying" a championship, but it's obvious that there are other factors involved. If I'm not mistaken, the Rangers have the highest payroll in the nhl and they are not a very good team. Holik was a good pickup for them but they need to revamp the whole team IMO. Hell look at Ottawa, they went bankrupt and they won the presidents trophy.. but it's because they know what they need to focus on like you said.... maybe the rangers need a new front office and a new coach.. till then at least I have someone to laugh at in the nhl

j/k

piranha6 · 06-03-2003, 01:56 PM

Well, I am a life long Flyer fan and since we have a moron for a GM there's a good chance that 'old' Mario could end up here and that makes me sad but if Clarkie is going to sign another oldster I'd rather have Mario.

Glory's Sun · 06-03-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by piranha6
Well, I am a life long Flyer fan and since we have a moron for a GM there's a good chance that 'old' Mario could end up here and that makes me sad but if Clarkie is going to sign another oldster I'd rather have Mario.

Mario is staying in the Pens uni if anything

BigBlueWrecking · 06-03-2003, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by guccilvr
The Rangers and Knicks have the same problems..I guess maybe it has something to do with the fact that they are owned by the same company/person. The Rangers have a HUGE payroll and can't do crap. People always talked about the Red Wings "buying" a championship, but it's obvious that there are other factors involved. If I'm not mistaken, the Rangers have the highest payroll in the nhl and they are not a very good team. Holik was a good pickup for them but they need to revamp the whole team IMO. Hell look at Ottawa, they went bankrupt and they won the presidents trophy.. but it's because they know what they need to focus on like you said.... maybe the rangers need a new front office and a new coach.. till then at least I have someone to laugh at in the nhl j/k

Yes and no. I think the Knicks have talent problems. They just don't have the horses. The Rangers have tried to buy a team, but failed to buy a coach. I am not a Sather fan at all. He did pretty well coaching them, but every other coach he hired has SUCKED. Low? To coach the Rangers? Trottier? Two first year coaches for a team of vets? We need Iron Mike to come back, but that is not the kind of coach Sather wants. He wants a guy like Herb Brooks, a coaching legend...but back when the NHL was all scoring. Give me Iron Mike and we will be a lot closer to winning the Cup (or at least the playoffs).

HockeyGuy · 06-04-2003, 04:36 PM

I think he'll retire, but even if he doesn't there is no way that he'll be moving outaa pittsberg. Can't see that happening at all

sabre1044 · 07-22-2003, 08:21 PM

The same problem happend to Jordan, they should not have come back. Now they are not as great as they used to be. Jordan deffinatly should have not played for the Wizard, i know he is the owner.. but should have come back to Bulls. Lemuex was too old and his back is ruined. He will retire after this season, if he can get through it....

06-02-2003, 05:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Super Mario moving? We've talked about Mario Lemieux's concerns about Pittsburgh's finances before on TFP, but now there are reports that instead of just retiring, he's thinking about playing elsewhere, with Detroit, New York and Toronto listed as possible stops. Should Lemieux just retire and be an owner? Would you rather he plays out his days with the Pens? Should he try for another cup somewhere else?

06-02-2003, 03:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
jmf1234 Insane Location: Steel City ( the 'Burgh)	He is loyal to us. I couldnt imagine our team if he leaves. i hate the fucking Rangers, take Kovalev and now try and poach Lemieux? they're worse then the Capitals (bribed Jagr), and they cant make it into the playoffs with such a ridiculous amount of money. Fuck the Rangers. When he retires it had better be in a pens uniform. __________________ Let's go Pitt, we're set for victory Sex is like bridge: If you don't have a good partner, you better have a good hand. -- Charles Pierce

06-02-2003, 04:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Lemieux has now come out to bury any rumors of him moving. If he's playing, he'll do so in Western Pennsylvania. Otherwise, he'll slip up to the owners box. Let's move on to Mark Messier..... __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

06-02-2003, 05:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I think he should just retire. As a Detroit fan I don't want him there. He's past his prime and while he'll still make some decent plays I feel like he'll be tying up a spot that someone younger could be playing. Of the 3 listed, Toronto would be the best spot for him if he decides to keep playing. He's had a great career..he doesn't need to be the MJ of hockey and keep coming back.

06-02-2003, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	I am a Rangers fan, and don't really want him. Sather said that it was far fetched at best. I would hate to see him in another uniform, that is for sure. He is one of the few that have been with the same team and been loyal to them. Too bad they are going broke.

06-02-2003, 04:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	One thing on Kovalev...the Rangers did not exactly take him from you guys. It was a trade. The Pens did not have to trade him. I would be mad at your teams fans and ownership for not putting the money back into the team. Pitt is a big enough market to support that team, they just don't.

06-02-2003, 05:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	Mark is my favorite hockey player of all time. I have met him a couple of times, and he is the coolest guy ever. He might be one of the greates leaders ever. That said, he might need to hang them up. It hurts me to say that, but he is getting up there, and every coach we have seems to be intimidated by him and end up giving him too many minutes. He put up pretty good numbers last year though.

06-02-2003, 05:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I agree.. while he's not my fav of all time.. I think he's a great leader. He does need to hang up the skates though. I could see him possibly going about 10 mins a game or something like that but no more. As far as who my fav of all time is.. why that's easy it's Steve Yzerman...now there's a leader

06-02-2003, 11:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Young Link Upright	The problem with the Rangers is too many "chiefs" and not enough "indians". You can put all of the Lindros', Bure's, Carter's and Kovalev's you want... it's still not going to give you a good team.

06-03-2003, 05:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	I disagree, for all of the players you named...none are Chiefs. All of those players, maybe not Carter becuase he is young, shy away from leadership. That is why Mark may be back next year. The real problem in that crowd is that not a one of them can play D. Throw in the fact that Trottier was an idiot....and there you have last season. I love that they picked up Holik, and he is a leader and plays D. Put him on a line with Kovalev and Carter. Put Lindros, Bure, and maybe a McCarthey or a bruiser on another line. Nedved, Samuelson, and Lundmark on the third line, and Mess with some decent role players on a lesser used fourth line. Make a commitment to D, and keep the Leetch's, Kasp, and some other defenseman and I think we have a hockey team. They need one or two more defensemen, and then just commit to playing D. Hey Glen, I should be the coach

06-03-2003, 11:22 AM	#13 (permalink)
bender Addict Location: around the corner	You know love him or hate him you have to respect him, for what he does on and off the ice. But that being said I do think that its time for him to take a few years off and come back behind the bench. He will make a great coach

06-03-2003, 01:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
piranha6 Upright Location: PA	Well, I am a life long Flyer fan and since we have a moron for a GM there's a good chance that 'old' Mario could end up here and that makes me sad but if Clarkie is going to sign another oldster I'd rather have Mario.

06-04-2003, 04:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
HockeyGuy Psycho Location: London, England	I think he'll retire, but even if he doesn't there is no way that he'll be moving outaa pittsberg. Can't see that happening at all

07-22-2003, 08:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
sabre1044 Upright	The same problem happend to Jordan, they should not have come back. Now they are not as great as they used to be. Jordan deffinatly should have not played for the Wizard, i know he is the owner.. but should have come back to Bulls. Lemuex was too old and his back is ruined. He will retire after this season, if he can get through it....