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Old 09-16-2010, 05:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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a men's lounge?

we've got 1 for the ladies, but what about us.



just feel so left out
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's been talked and discussed before. There isn't anything added by adding one. If I could is remove the ladies lounge because the original purpose conflicts with a basic premise of everyone here being equal.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This is a yearly suggestion, and most often than not, you'll receive a response along the lines of "the entire forum is already catered to and regarding men and our issues / interests , so there is no real reason to have a specific smoker's lounge, just to have one".

I think there's also an allusion to real societal life in there, but I'm trying to keep this short, and most likely, you didn't care after I said basically, this is not a new / gonna-happen-anytime-forever suggestion.

Just for sake of keeping your attention: what would be your first order of attention if we were to receive a "Men's Lounge"? What sort of dialogue would you strike up there, which you could not find another venue elsewhere to discuss?

Solely wondering why you want what you do not have, but yeah, really, you already got it. It's here; it's us; the TFP is a men's lounge already, with an additional backroom "Ladies' Room" to boot. What's not to like?
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It's been talked and discussed before. There isn't anything added by adding one.
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This is a yearly suggestion, and most often than not, you'll receive a response along the lines of "the entire forum is already catered to and regarding men and our issues / interests , so there is no real reason to have a specific smoker's lounge, just to have one".
It's not merely this. It is also the fact that the usage of a men's lounge would either be misguided or otherwise underused to the point of it not being useful.

That it would seem the forum "caters to and is regarding men, etc." is a bit misleading. The function of a mens forum could serve as a mirror to the ladies forum where they could talk about issues that might otherwise be a touchy subject if women were involved—topics like men's health (prostate, men's sexuality, etc.), men's issues that are somewhat of a stigma (depression, child custody, child support, victims of abuse, etc.), or simply a place where they could talk about relationships without worrying about women coming in and criticizing their views or beliefs.

This is not to say there isn't value in such a forum. But, alas, this is the Internet. General forums aren't the place for that sort of thing. The risk is high for such a forum to get 4chan'd or otherwise ridiculed and abused. (Men are so immature, you know....)

If men want such an environment, there are plenty of forums geared specifically toward the specific topics I mentioned. Root around; they're out there. I'm sure you can find one that's well moderated....keeping things serious.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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We don't like creating specific forums that don't get much use (see the debacle of Tilted Pets). We're probably 60+% male here, and I've yet to see a discussion created where a guy specifically asked women not to respond - with a exception a few years ago where a gay guy had a question.

In other words, if you REALLY don't want the women to respond, just say so. Just realize that you're probably losing out on some very good advice.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for the additional expansion assist, B_G.

That was my initial gist, but I'm trying to conserve my word usage now, and I don't know if people (re: anyone) still appreciates my penchant for elucidating and adding (ir)relevant context to any one question / term of the day.

I do remember an explanation along your same lines from the last thread we had regarding this idea, but it eludes me as to who originally authored the kinded thoughtform. (it also included the very good point brought about by The_Jazz above, about the question: "is there really a need to have a male-specific-only discussion?")

I'm not the savviest in the drawer of how to make my words make a point in any less than three paragraphs, so it does help to have such helpful moderators picking up my procrastinating penmanship of declarations.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:18 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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uh...yeah. frankly, i expect that the idea of a men's forum would be treated differently if it came in the form of a positive request (i want to address range of questions x...z but don't feel comfortable with it being generally accessible) than it has been when the rationale is "i feel left out."

just saying.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
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also, the whole world is a 'men's lounge'.. so there's that.
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Old 09-16-2010, 07:05 AM   #9 (permalink)
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also, the whole world is a 'men's lounge'.. so there's that.
You clearly haven't worked on an English degree. Actually, universities in general are becoming more of a "ladies lounge"—at least in Canada.
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Old 09-16-2010, 07:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I was alluding to Male privilege .. certainly there are more women attending a University than in the past, but that isn't saying much..
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:01 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I was alluding to Male privilege .. certainly there are more women attending a University than in the past, but that isn't saying much..
I see. But let's not forget that women are gradually earning their own sets of privileges. The 20th century was big. Now the arena of change is even greater. It's not just that more women are attending university than in the past, it's that a majority of university students are now women, and the trend is still growing. I've seen numbers over 60% of the student population (Canada's university-aged males outnumber the university-aged females, but are both at approximately 50% each).

We need more threads on gender issues.
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Old 09-27-2010, 05:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I see the ladies lounge as the forum where women can publicly whine about men without allowing a chance for rebuttal. Case in point:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/ladies-...so-spouse.html

I try to avoid a forum where my opinion is disallowed; but get caught up in "new posts" occasionally.
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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60%? Heh. I'd say that it's more like 75%+ male here at TFP.

It's a friggin' sausage fest. Like all those college parties you guys went to back in '98.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:11 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:07 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't see the point of a Men's lounge, as TFP is for all intents and purposes
already one. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:52 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:08 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Are those Halal?
damn right they're halal!

geez if you could get halal beef-bacon these days, why cant you get halal snags?


on the other hand, the male equivelant of all those sausages is not!
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:34 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I see the ladies lounge as the forum where women can publicly whine about men without allowing a chance for rebuttal. Case in point:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/ladies-...so-spouse.html

I try to avoid a forum where my opinion is disallowed; but get caught up in "new posts" occasionally.
This thread right here is why I don't like the Ladies Lounge sometimes.
But, I do appreciate being able to talk about a pain in my cervix or birth control side effects without some idiot (major male TFP contributors NOT included in that description) with little tact making an insensitive remark about the more sensitive parts of my anatomy. Some days, I just have an angry uterus.
But, I also have the sense not to mock circumcision, penile and erectile dysfunction, etc. because guy stuff is just as important.
I don't start threads in the Ladies Lounge often because I don't like excluding the majority of people around here. But I have contributed to the threads that I thought were interesting, important, or worth my two cents.
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:56 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I forget who said it but it's pertinent again:

"The LL is required because of douchebags: ladies that need advice on using them and the men that act like them around said ladies."
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:10 AM   #22 (permalink)
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But, I do appreciate being able to talk about a pain in my cervix or birth control side effects without some idiot (major male TFP contributors NOT included in that description) with little tact making an insensitive remark about the more sensitive parts of my anatomy. Some days, I just have an angry uterus.
But, I also have the sense not to mock circumcision, penile and erectile dysfunction, etc. because guy stuff is just as important.
After 20+ years of cohabitating with my wife and daughters, a single mention of menstrual issues will have me racing for the back button. It's pretty much the "Does this make my butt look big" of the internet.

Birth control affects men, too. I swear that some of the pills my wife tried, actually worked by reducing her libido to zero. That might be an appropriate comment in the right context.

Separate, but equal usually isn't. I think you'd probably be better served by using the report to moderator function.

In any case, unless you are naked and pointing, dick jokes are always funny and usually appropriate.
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Old 10-01-2010, 04:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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If TFP ever gets to the level where straight males can discuss anal sex from the point of view of the penetraTEE as well as the point of view of the penetraTOR, then the Ladies Lounge can be closed. I wonder what the chances are of us getting there?

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Old 10-01-2010, 07:01 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Wow, that's an incredibly arbitrary standard for maturity. Although I suppose the anal part fits TFP well.

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Old 10-01-2010, 07:15 PM   #25 (permalink)
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If TFP ever gets to the level where straight males can discuss anal sex from the point of view of the penetraTEE as well as the point of view of the penetraTOR, then the Ladies Lounge can be closed. I wonder what the chances are of us getting there?

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Is this like the women having to go through pregnancy and childbirth argument? Pearl Trade hates when he hears women argue that topic against males.

Oh yes, I did use the douche bag third person approach.
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Old 10-02-2010, 10:38 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 10-04-2010, 09:53 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't know about a Men's Lounge. What about a MAN'S Lounge?

I'm reminded of a Robin Williams gag:

"Beer commercials usually show big men, manly men, doing manly things: 'You've just killed a small animal. It's time for a light beer.' Why not have a realistic beer commercial, with a realistic thing about beer, where someone goes, 'It's five o'clock in the morning. You've just pissed on a dumpster. It's Miller time.'"
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