kel

Tried it? Liked it? Tell me about your experience.

My laptop is a Mac so I port alot of work to it while I am moving around. Project builder sucks the big fat one (compared to MS or Jbuilder), but I am stuck with it while on the go.

I am wondering if upgrading to 10.3 and getting Xcode is worth the significant time and trouble. Will Xcode run in 10.2.8?

My main beef with project builder is the lousy debugger, inability to refactor code, and to shrink code down to the function header. (awesome feature MS has)

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charliex

well i installed it recently, and was just playing with it, its a bit odd, imagine doing your compiling in an explorer type shell.

its got some nice features, zerolink which allows you to run debug from the obj without the link stage, which i think is implemented badly since its now a run time before you find out about link errors, it'd be nice for an easy of checking it instead of switching options and redoing it.

its got "fix and compile" which is similar to VC's edit and compile, VC got the better name i see

the editor is pretty basic so far, i prefer devstudios to it,

mutitasks very well, compiles and edits smoothly

debugger is gdb with a frontend so ick there i couldnt seem to get it add a breakpoint after it ran, i'm still playing around with it though so it might be something i've missed, source code is shown, it seems to break well, and find itself inside os routines.

still getting used to it, i have a hard time with the one window per object thing, but thats just a matter of getting used to it, you are probably more used to OSX than i am.

parallel multiple machine compile which is nice for big projects, thats something i'd defintely miss from my visual C setup.

Seems the build system is internal , hopefully theres a way of doing makefiles or similar, since i often have custom tools.

gcc generates reasonably good code, though i dont know if it does altivec support and how good it is yet.

Still i absolutely detest codewarrior and this much better

If there something speciific you wnat me to look for, let me know.

If i get time i'll try actually doing a project instead of messing with the examples.

juanvaldes

Having a hard time getting used to the new GUI really.

But I don't have a real project to do in Obj-C at the moment (will put it through it's paces during break) so not much to say yet.

I seem to remember reading something about XCode being able to run under 10.2 and up. Check connect.apple.com

tikki

I like it, and I hate it

What I like
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Code completion is something i love in the .Net tools and while the xCode implementation isn't as peppy as Visual Studio, it's a nice start.

Distributive Builds. Using my iBook to help build big projects is awesome. I don't know if it actually speeds the process, but just knowing the technology is there rocks.

Build & Go is a major time saver.

What I Don't Like
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Adjusting to the new GUI is a bitch. I keep looking for the damn broom icon on the main xCode window, and for some reason it's placed under a build menu. Why!?

Seems slower in performance than Project Builder. I think it has something to do w/ the code completion being turned on, but I would hope in future revisions, this different isn't noticeable.

That's my $.02

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charliex

Well is been a little while since i've been using xCode, and i have to say i'm not enjoying it at all, the GUI is nice and its just terrible, its like v0.01 of a GUI made by an amatuer developer, or a wrapper around make. At first it seemed so much better than codewarrior, since i've always hated CW on every platform i've ever used it on from mac to Playstation 2, but after a few weeks.

the options and build paths are horrible, a one line text box with no way to browse? Rebuilding problems after changing options, needing the project to be reopened. I changed a line of source, rebuilt it , it came back with the same error with the old text even though the file opened too had the new code.

I'm considering a switch back to *shudder* codewarrior, or using makefiles with another editors.

I'm hoping they rushed it out, i know apple have never been good at developer tools, but i was expecting a lot more than this

Anyone know of something else other than codewarrior ,xCode or pwb ?

Pity microsoft dropped their mac cross compiler

cheerios

not for Obj-C, but for java there's eclipse... quite a nice little tool takes forEVER to launch but once it's up it goes fine. and yeah, I'm not real impressed w/ XCode either... it has debugger problems, it get's stuck and you have to restart... it STILL doesn't deal with standard input correctly (cin or scanf()) when you're doing C or C++... it's just kind of ponderous. the changes to the gui builder app are nice though. it let's you know if you're using non-backward-compatible widgets and everything

juanvaldes

XCode feels very rushed and Alpha/Beta quality...

Hope there are more updates to it soon...

charliex

sigh, well i'm glad its not just me, i'd hate to be the only one,, i was reallying enjoying panther too even picked up a little ibook for $500


i wonder what apple use internally, maybe just make


for java, check out intellij IDEA, its got really good refactoring.

kel

Charlie, you found panther to run well even on a mere iBook? I ask because I have the 14 inch and am debating putting panther on. I only have 384 MB RAM (I curse myself everyday for skimping)

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charliex

hey kel,

i bought a 12" 700 mhz ibook from frys for $500 and it runs panther fine, it only had 128MB with a 18 GB disk and it was still fine, i have to admit to being very impressed with apple *cough* netbsd folks

i added 512MB more ram to max it at 640 (I believe) stuck in an airport card and a 80GB hard disk i'm pretty happy with it overall, battery life is great at about 4 hours.

juanvaldes

kel, Panther is faster then Jaguar on the same hardware.

As for internal use, probably still Project Builder. I could ask but I'm lazy.