tinytim

So I'm looking at parts for a computer and since I'm a little slow I was hoping someone could break down the differences. Mainly Im just confused about why amd seems to have less gigahertz for the dollar but is still better somehow. I suspect its something siple that I'm missing.

Wow that subject is a little off eh?

billege

There have got to already be 5 threads on this, or like, 500,000 discussions on this already out there.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...t=amd+vs+intel

is one already open thread...

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...t=amd+vs+intel

is another one, just search for what you want with the TFP's "search" function. That is what it's there for.

But, hey, god knows, this subject seemingly CAN'T be discussed to death.


http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardw...eviews/1826/1/

the first google result...

I'm not trying to be harsh with you, in particular, but this subject is sooo always under discussion. Just read what's already out on the board, and ask your questions from that in those threads.

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tinytim

So my question was why are amd cpu's with lower GHz numbers better than the Intel ones with higher. None of your links seem to help out much, most notably the hardware central article from 2000.

SecretMethod70

The Megahertz Myth. This article should pretty much answer your question I think.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/sto...658968,00.html

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bltzkriegmcanon

SecretMethod's answer is completely correct. An addendum: the reason that AMD does better in tests and is a faster chip, despite lower clock speeds, is because of it's architecture. It's built differently, better than Intel, especially when it comes to gaming. This isn't suggesting that Intel builds shitty gaming chips, it's just that the stepping and instruction list for an Intel chip just doesn't bring out the best performance for gaming.

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Church

The way AMD chips are built allows them to do much more processes a cycle than Intel chips. That's pretty much it. It can do more with less.

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Lasereth

The reason this topic gets brought up is because it's a damn good one to discuss. Most people don't know what they're talking about with this discussion, but computer-savvy people can explain it in a small paragraph.

In a few sentences: Intel releases good processors with high clock speeds (gigahertz). AMD released good processors with lower clock speeds. AMD's processors are built completely different, allowing the entire AMD processor lineup to have the ability to perform as good (and better in about half of the tests) than Intel's chips. Think of it this way: AMD's processors are a Dodge Truck. Intel's processors are a Ferrari. AMD's can haul the weight when it comes down to it, but aren't as fast. Intel's processors can outrun AMD's, but can't haul weight. When it comes to gaming, AMD's "weigh-hauling ability" comes into play, allowing better performance. Media applications use raw clockspeed, allowing Intel's faster processors to take the lead.

I could go more in detail, but it's pointless. That's the most basic explanation ya need. AMD has found a way to design processors that kick ass without having huge clock speeds. Intel releases processors with huge clock speeds because it works. It's as simple as that! The reason many people prefer AMD over Intel? AMD's chips are cheaper than Intels. Much, much cheaper until recently (Intel lowered the prices on most of their processors...a damn good idea too).

-Lasereth

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Excellent summary Lasereth. That's probably the best "Cliff Notes" version of the story I have read.

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billege

Yeah? That's nice. I wasn't trying to do your research for you, just show that yes, the search function works, and here is what I found in three seconds of effort.

The idea is to look for yourself before starting the 60000th thread on the same subject.

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bltzkriegmcanon

OWNED!! Fuckin' owned! In any case, this kind of crap should be a sticky. I mean, seriously. If so many threads of this nature are created, then let's just have a damn sticky and be done with it.

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MSD

That's worth considering.

bltzkriegmcanon

Seriously, making this issue a sticky would save all of the people here a great deal of headaches, it would save posting space, because I know, that in my time here, I've seen at least 10 or maybe 20 different threads addressing this issue. Merge some of the threads together, then sticky it. Wam bam thank you ma'am. Same thing could just about be done for video cards as well.

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Lasereth

None of the threads you listed answer his question. Sure, they're AMD vs Intel, but they don't answer why a 1.6 GHz Athlon XP is as good as a 2 GHz Pentium 4! I just did a search and came up with quite a threads about AMD vs Intel. None of them were helpful. That's why I'm not bothered by these threads...most of them aren't useful. A Google search will return a crock of shit as well...Internet fanboys don't care about numbers, they care about their l337 Athlon XP that was $70 versus a $200 Pentium 4. The Internet has spawned a new breed of media bias.

If you truly want the whole story, go to www.tomshardware.com and read every article since Athlon XP's were debuted. If ya want the story in a nutshell, see my above paragraph.

-Lasereth

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tinytim

Thanks for the info. That sums it up nicely.