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Old 06-08-2003, 04:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I completed my Conceal/Carry class today!

I managed to get a perfect score on the shooting "field test", and scored my firearm conceal/carry training certificate. In a month or so, I should be legally able to carry a firearm in Minnesota and any other state that recognizes the MN carry permit. Three cheers for "shall issue" laws!
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Old 06-08-2003, 04:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good work!
I feel safer...

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Old 06-08-2003, 04:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: I completed my Conceal/Carry class today!

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I managed to get a perfect score on the shooting "field test", and scored my firearm conceal/carry training certificate. In a month or so, I should be legally able to carry a firearm in Minnesota and any other state that recognizes the MN carry permit. Three cheers for "shall issue" laws!
Hey, thats great. I can see why one would need to carry a concealed firearm in Minnesota.

Seriously, though. Congratulations. Don't shoot off your typing hand.
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Old 06-08-2003, 05:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thats awesome! If only I was 21, I would be there with ya...
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Old 06-08-2003, 05:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 06-09-2003, 06:35 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Oh just wonderful. Another gun out on the streets.

The world just got a little worse.
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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congrats bro....i got mine about a year and a half ago.....maybe one of these days ill get around to getting a gun
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Congrats man!

I just picked up my own paper work to turn in. Now to fill it out and submit it
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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congrats on the license, use it wisely ;-)
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Congrats. What are the MN requirements for a concealed carry.
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Old 06-09-2003, 09:02 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think it's great that MN makes you actually take a test. My indiana CC permit required nothing but a background check, a notary, and two cashiers checks. I got mine at 22 - but the scary thing is that even though you must be 21 to purchase a handgun through a dealer, you only need to be 18 to get a CC permit.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 09:06 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: I completed my Conceal/Carry class today!

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I managed to get a perfect score on the shooting "field test",
Yes! True "gun control". Congrats!
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Old 06-09-2003, 09:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Here are the basics for the Oklahoma CCW:

You must be 23 years old.
You must take a training class (stupidest class I have ever taken).
You must fire your weapon at a target (no scoring involved, instructor discression).

If you use a derringer, the only thing you can carry is a derringer. If you use a revolver, you can carry a revolver or darringer. If you use a semi-automatic pistol, you can carry all 3.

I used a .22 semi-auto pistol for the test but carry either a .380 or a .45.

I have seen the requirements for the Texas CCP. Talk about a PITA, I don't think many people could pass this. If it were me, I'd get an Oklahoma address, get the Oklahoma one and move back to Texas. Gotta love reciprosity.
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Old 06-09-2003, 11:14 AM   #15 (permalink)
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"guns protect people, they help people, and if it wasnt for our facist gun grabbing government, we would see more instances of this but we only see how BAD guns are, we never hear of the stories of people shotting a thief, or a robber, or a racist."
ummm no, guns kill.
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Old 06-09-2003, 12:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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guns protect people, they help people, and if it wasnt for our facist gun grabbing government, we would see more instances of this but we only see how BAD guns are, we never hear of the stories of people shotting a thief, or a robber, or a racist.
When did it become illegal to be a racist?
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Old 06-09-2003, 12:26 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 06-09-2003, 01:03 PM   #18 (permalink)
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hrdwareguy: There is a large list of requirements (most of which are common sense, but I will list them for others' benefit as well), but once you meet the requirements you are able to carry any legal firearm, and it is strongly suggested that you keep it concealed whenever possible. While it is technically not required to keep the firearm concealed at all times, we were explained the risks of not doing so (including possibly being arrested if anyone felt that they were threatened by the presence of a firearm, thanks to a police force that hates guns).

+ You must be 21
+ complete an authorized training course (the AACFI course that I took covers "safe use of a pistol", "fundamentals of pistol use", "fundamental legal aspects of pistol posession carry and use, including self-defense and the restrictions on the use of deadly force", "requires a 30 round shooting exercise". For the shooting exercise, you have to get 70% of points from 15 rounds at 15ft and 15 rounds at 21ft).
+ not be committed as mentally ill/mentally retarded/ever found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental ilness
+ not be committed as chemically dependent
+ not be a peace officer informally admitted to treatment facilities for chemical dependency
+ not be a fugitive from justice (that one is a shocker!)
+ not an illegal alien
+ not dishonorably discharged from the armed forces
+ have not renounced their U.S. citizenship
+ have not ever been convicted of a felony-level crime in any state. This includes murder, manslaughter, assault, simple or aggravated robbery, criminal sexual conduct, neglect or endangerment of a child, arson, terroristic threats, rioting, harassment/stalking, or violation of controlled substance laws.

Even after proving that you are a law-abiding citizen who has been trained in the use of a firearm and how to carry one (preferably concealed), you cannot carry them in the following places:

+ correctional facilities or state hospitals
+ county jails
+ elementary and secondary school grounds except when stored in a motor vehicle
+ facilities under exclusive temporary control of a school, school association, or district (arenas, for example)
+ courthouse complexes, unless the sheriff is notified in advance
+ the capitol area, unless the commissioner of public safety is notified in advance
+ afield while hunting big game by archery, except bear
+ federal court or other federal facilities

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ummm no, guns kill.
One of the things which is repeated several times by the instructor during the training class is that "defending yourself with a gun does not change the situation, it just makes you a different kind of victim". It can save your life, but you still will need to deal with the physiological effects of discharging a firearm at another human being, and of being victimized.
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Old 06-09-2003, 02:16 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Re: I completed my Conceal/Carry class today!

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Hey, thats great. I can see why one would need to carry a concealed firearm in Minnesota.

Seriously, though. Congratulations. Don't shoot off your typing hand.
Yes, the populace needs protection from Jesse Ventura.

As for injuries, I got a minor cut from extracting a crappy shell casing which split apart while I shot. Kiss the boo-boo?
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Old 06-09-2003, 03:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Congrats hope you never need it.
Spend alot time at the range, muscle memory will save you.
If you need it and have to think you are screwed.
Find a range that has tactical range where you can practice"real life" conditions.
Even better go to Thunder Ranch.
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Old 06-09-2003, 05:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yea Bones, I agree, people never see the good side to guns, because our media fucking sucks. We get reports on the guns most used in violent crimes and such, but never a report on the gun most used to protect ones self, or stop a crime....

Its fucking beat.
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Old 06-09-2003, 05:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I have had mine for 18 months. I carry a Bersa 380 semi and it is perfect for me. As a single woman, living alone in a world where reality can be a death sentence, I feel it is important for me to be able to defend myself if need be. I pray I never have to use it. But should I need it, I am glad I have it and the training and accuracy I need.

I hope that people who go the extra step to get a CC also take the extra step to be familiar with their weapon. I practice so much with mine that it is nearly second nature to me. Snap caps can be your best friend when you can't get to the range but you want to keep up your ability to take all of the steps neccessary to use your weapon quickly and effectively.
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Old 06-09-2003, 06:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm interested in getting a firearm as a form of recreation; purely for target shooting (supposedly it's very relaxing). Where could I learn more about the proper way to be trained and to get the right firearm?
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Old 06-09-2003, 06:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm interested in getting a firearm as a form of recreation; purely for target shooting (supposedly it's very relaxing). Where could I learn more about the proper way to be trained and to get the right firearm?
Assuming that you live in Maryland, go over here:

http://www.mdgunsafety.com

It appears that Maryland requires you to pass a firearm safety course (very good idea, anyhow) before purchasing a firearm. I suggest starting out by taking this course, since you sort of have to.
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:50 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Getting a concealed carry in Maryland is tough. I failed. In Maryland you must be:

- An active judge
- An active prosecuting attorney
- An active police officer
- Someone that carries large sums of money around
- A retired judge, attorney or cop that can prove someone wants you dead.

I'm none of the above. So it looks like I don't qual for a concealed carrt, unfortunately.
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Old 06-09-2003, 10:50 PM   #27 (permalink)
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so dont knock guns because they might save your life one day.
Guns have saved us all if you count most of the wars we've fought over the past few hundred wars =D
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Old 06-09-2003, 11:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I'm interested in getting a firearm as a form of recreation; purely for target shooting (supposedly it's very relaxing). Where could I learn more about the proper way to be trained and to get the right firearm?
The gold standard for gun safety training:

NRA Safety Page

There you find all sorts of information on courses, ranges and general gun safety.

Most state CCW laws will require the NRA basic hand gun safety class or the equivalent for all applicants.
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Old 06-10-2003, 12:50 AM   #29 (permalink)
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The gold standard for gun safety training:

NRA Safety Page

There you find all sorts of information on courses, ranges and general gun safety.

Most state CCW laws will require the NRA basic hand gun safety class or the equivalent for all applicants.
By the way, in the state of Maryland you must complete their firearm safety class in order to be able to legally purchase a firearm. Unfortunately, while the NRA safety class is advisable, it is not a substitute for the Maryland-sponsored training.
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Old 06-10-2003, 05:36 AM   #30 (permalink)
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+ complete an authorized training course (the AACFI course that I took covers "safe use of a pistol", "fundamentals of pistol use", "fundamental legal aspects of pistol posession carry and use, including self-defense and the restrictions on the use of deadly force", "requires a 30 round shooting exercise". For the shooting exercise, you have to get 70% of points from 15 rounds at 15ft and 15 rounds at 21ft).
I forgot to mention the shooting distances for Oklahoma. 15 rounds at 3 feet, and 15 rounds at 6 feet and no scoring is involved.
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Old 06-10-2003, 07:02 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Wow. Here in Canada (Ontario specifically) to own and operate a handgun is a huge hassle. Background checks, hours of classes and probationary periods. When you finally apease the gun gods and are able to carry a handgun you must call the local police and inform them that you intend to transport your gun to and from an accredited gun club, what time you intend to leave and how long you'll be there. You guys who carry down there should appreciate the freedom cause what happened here could easlily happen there too. Damn liberal freaks
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Old 06-10-2003, 07:22 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Amen Cujo!

People who don't use guns don't understand them. I think the problem is exacerbated by the mis-representation of guns in general by the liberal media and the movie/tv industry. Yeah guns can kill, but they are not the deadly magic weapon they are made out to be.

How anyone can honestly believe that all weapons can be removed from the hands of criminals. Let alone do this by restricting/preventing legal means of acquiring them is beyond my understanding. There's a lot of people living in a peter pan fantasy world where the government will protect them in all ways and absolve them of personal responsibility. Bullshit.

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Old 06-11-2003, 12:01 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Glad to hear that there's another person out there who will help to give firearm owners a good name. I hope you never have to point it at anything but a target.
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Old 06-12-2003, 10:43 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Thank you for showing that the 2nd amendment exists! My grandma and grandpa have one too, I think it's a good thing.
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Old 07-16-2003, 11:10 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Update!

My father and I took the class and submitted applications together,and we just received our official permits on Monday! Unfortunately, however, the county I live in appears to be selling permit registration information as I have gotten half a dozen "criminal justice program" brochures from tech colleges in the last day or so.
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Old 07-16-2003, 11:43 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I am in contact with a trainer out here in colorado and once I get the cash Ill be in the truck on my way. I was gonna do it in arizona but the class out there is too long. Out here I can get it done in a day and just wait a month for it to come in the mail.
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Old 07-16-2003, 11:58 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I think we liberals are just a tad troubled about the notion of a child blowing another child away after discovering the bedside firearm.

Yes, yes, I know none of you will be so careless, but as you pointed out, there are exceptions to this each day as per the *liberal media.*

I believe not only should you take tests of firearm skill, but that you must pass rigorous psychological testing before being allowed to own a gun and carry it freely.
Let us not forget how handy a gun can be in the heat of an argument
Crime of passion, anyone?
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Old 07-16-2003, 12:07 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I know someone mentioned Texas concealed gun laws being tough, but you have to remember, it is Texas after all. Carrying a shotgun in your back window isn't necessarily running rampant, but I've seen stranger things Everyone down here would carry a concealed weapon if we could so we have to be able to separate those who should from those who would somehow. When I hit the big 21 in a year, I plan on going through a concealed class and then purchasing my first firearm. More than likely going to be a 9mm as .45 would be a little much and .22 rimfire doesn't have that much stopping power.
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as per the *liberal media.*

I laughed so hard at this it nearly made me cry. If anyone thinks the media is liberal now, I challenge them to look at it 10-20 years ago. The current media has been riding a vast wave of relative conservatism for the past 3-5 years, and anyone that thinks otherwise hasn't really been paying attention. Besides, we all know liberals aren't demons...well, not dangerous demons (j/k)
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Old 07-16-2003, 01:04 PM   #40 (permalink)
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More than likely going to be a 9mm as .45 would be a little much and .22 rimfire doesn't have that much stopping power.
It may not have much stopping power, but it is one of the deadliest calibers around. The punch isn't there, but once inside your body it bounces off the bones rather well and once it splits it's like multiball on your internal organs.

The .22 is one of only a few calibers that can penetrate kevlar as well.
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