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Old 06-22-2007, 04:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How to Store Ammo Properly

So, I have some "souvenirs" that came back with me from my trip to the Middle East last summer, including 4 live rounds. I am not sure of the caliber but I am certain they are not from hand guns. It's about 2 5/8" long and a 5/8" diameter. I realize I should measure in metric but I don't have one handy at the moment.

My question is, as interesting as they are, how can I store or display them safely. Up to now, all my souvenirs have been shells which are presumably safe. At the moment, they are loose in a drawer and one sits on my desk, pointing up. Still, I am not a firearms expert so I want to learn how to handle them properly.

Any suggestions?
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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as long as you dont throw them into a fire, or whack the primer with a hammer and nail or something....


I'd just put them up on a shelf or something, theres really no special steps you have to take.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks man. Yeah, I don't plan on taking a hammer to it. But it can get a little hot where I live (Southern California).

I think I will try and post a pic of it if I get a chance this weekend.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If your house is hot enough to set off ammo, I doubt you'd be alive for long anyways. The auto-ignition point is over 500 degrees F for almost all powders, even the crappiest stuff ever invented probably won't ignite under 200 degrees F. So that means you just have to avoid crushing it (i.e. hammer) or hitting the primer hard with a pointed object. If you don't have kids then just don't keep them in the oven or blender and your probably alright. If you do have kids or your really anal, mount them in a shadowbox if you want them displayed or just store them anywhere your kids can't reach. Ammo by itself is pretty damn safe... a kitchen knife is much more dangerous. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket and your extremely paranoid you can have somebody empty the powder, dud the primer and reassemble it, or buy a pre-dudded round off ebay (the only kind they sale).

As for what ammo they are the most common military rounds near that size are .308 (7.62mm Nato) and 7.62x54R but depending on where you got them and how old they are your dimensions could make them almost anything. 2-5/8" (66mm) is too long to be 7.62x39 or .223. The best way to identify them is to measure properly. The best way to identify it is to measure it correctly. Measure it as AxB where A is the diameter of the bullet (in mm) where it enters the casing. B is the length of the casing from rim to neck (not including the bullet length). Make the measurements as accurate as possible to the closest 1/16" (<2mm), also the writing (if any) on the rim of the case.
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Old 06-23-2007, 01:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If your house is hot enough to set off ammo, I doubt you'd be alive for long anyways.

exactly, I've left ammo in the trunk of my car on 100 degree days.


Never had a problem.
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Old 06-23-2007, 01:43 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ha ha, fair enough, thanks for the tips, no need to worry about heat then. Incidentally, I had similar concerns about flares stored in car trunks.

So I got a metric ruler and tried to measure it.

When measuring the shell/casing part of the round:
Length 45mm
Diameter of bottom 10mm (approx)

When measuring with the "bullet" part:
Length 57mm
Diameter of where the bullet enters the casing 6mm(approx)

Writing on the bottom (clockwise starting from 12 oclock):

INI 9 02 1

Looks like this

INI
1 9
02

The round is from Israel, approximately no more than 2 years old (assumption)
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Old 06-23-2007, 03:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
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From your measurements I'd almost guarantee its a 5.56x45 NATO round. It's the round used in the M-16 / AR-15 and is probably the second most common rifle round in existence. If it is from Israel it is most likely from the Israeli Defense Force and not from any local combatants as they most commonly use 7.62x39 (AK ammo). The Israelis have many common issue weapons chambered in 5.56 NATO including the Galil assault rifle and the Negev light machine gun.

The letters in the headstamp are probably indicating the manufacturer but I cannot find anything about INI, are you sure it is not IMI (Israeli Military Industries)? The 02 probably indicates it was made in 2002, the 1 and 9 might indicate the specific arsenal/production line.
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Old 06-23-2007, 04:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Oops, you are correct, it is IMI.

Thanks again for all the info. Now I have some background for my souvenir.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:56 AM   #10 (permalink)
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you may be able to remove the powder by pulling the bullet out gently with a pair of pliars, I did that with .22 shells as a kid. you would still have the primer tho, might be able to put the unloaded bullet in a gun and shoot it detonate the primer, then put the bullet back in the now empty shell.

prolly not the safest way to do it... but I never had any probs when I was a kid doing it with the .22s... but they were a lot smaller then the .223
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
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you may be able to remove the powder by pulling the bullet out gently with a pair of pliars, I did that with .22 shells as a kid. you would still have the primer tho, might be able to put the unloaded bullet in a gun and shoot it detonate the primer, then put the bullet back in the now empty shell.

prolly not the safest way to do it... but I never had any probs when I was a kid doing it with the .22s... but they were a lot smaller then the .223

please don't do this
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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YIKES!

Do not do that. Leave the round as it is... it is not dangerous outside of a weapon.
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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LOL I thought I was the only person that worried about ignition of ammo on a hot day! I have 50 rounds of normal .38s, and 8 hollow-points (.38).

I stored them pointing in a neutral direction, in case summer got really hot, but I'm relieved now.

I must ask, though, since a fire would obviously set bullets off: Has there ever been a case where a house caught on fire, and bullets started to miscellaneously shoot out? I'm sure the firefighters wouldn't be too happy about that.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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This is discussed in the 'how to dispose of live ammo" thread.

Bullets are not very dangerous unless the whole round is contained. Small rounds are like overgrown firecrackers without the gun. You need the receiver to hold the casing still so it doesn't go flying. You need the barrel to keep the expanding gases behind the bullet long enough to transfer kinetic energy to it. Outside a the firearm a small arms cartridge is less dangerous than a aerosol can, however at very close range it could prob still put your eye out and cause hearing loss.

speaking of aerosol cans few people realize that they have dozens of mini pipe bombs in their houses.

http://chemaxx.com/aerosol2.htm
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:23 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Wow,

The bullets are harmless unless they are placed in a firearm and fired. I have only seen one round fire outside of a weapon and it was a fluke...we were handling tens of thousands of rounds of linked 7.62, roughly, and I guess one of the primers somehow got struck. Nobody was hurt, though it did blow the case apart. The brass case is just too weak for real dangerous pressures to develop.

Your rounds are probably stamped IMI, as they are/were one of the major suppliers of military ammunition. If the tip of the bullet is not painted green then I am willing to bet that the 1 and 9 represent the twist rate of the barrel that the ammunition is designed for. When we switched from 55gr. bullets to 62gr. bullets we had to increase the rate of twist from 1 in 14 to 1 in 9 to stabilize the longer, heavier rounds. To avoid confusion we started painting the tips of the newer rounds green, but not all countries do this since it isn't really necessary, especially if you don't have older 1 in 14 twist weapons in your arsenal. The marking on the case may just be to make sure there is no confusion.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:48 AM   #16 (permalink)
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