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SSJTWIZTA · 02-15-2009, 01:03 PM

a few questions about shotguns.

What are the advantages to a break action over a pump or semi?

what are the pros and cons to over/under compared to the side by side?

Kingruv · 02-15-2009, 03:51 PM

I know I tend to get wordy so will try to bullet point this.

What are the advantages to a break action over a pump or semi?

1. Break action guns are less expensive on single barrel models.
2. They are more straightforward to operate.
3. Generally they are shorter for the barrel length because the action is more compact.
4. They can be cleaned a little more easily since you can readily get to the breach.
5. A break action tipped open can clearly be seen to be unloaded or loaded.

What are the pros and cons to over/under compared to the side by side?
Advantages:
1. An O/U is normally narrower at the forend making it a bit better on handling.
2. The single narrow sight plane is a bit easier to get used to than a S by S.
3. New O/U are easier to come by and in a wider variety of brands and choices.
4. O/U's are typically mechanically cojoined barrels, where almost all older and many newer (what few there are) S by S are silver soldered to the ribs.
5. Manufacturers that build O/U's are generally building for the sporting group exclusively so price is a secondary consideration and fit, function and performance are first considerations.
6. O/U are usually easier to work on the action than S by S and single barrel break actions.
(since the layout is different the orientation inside is usually easier to get to)
Break action shotguns are hard to work on compared to pumps and auto loaders.

Not always but generally with 2 barrels the S by S will be a good bit lighter. (maybe 10 to 20%)
This can be a disadvantage or an advantage depending on what you're doing.

It would be hard to describe many cons for O/U's there are differences that help choices.
Aside from money, assuming everything else is the same, what (not why) do you want one for?

If I were hunting on foot all day and carrying for the unanticipated shot like quail or grouse which flush quick and might fly stright towards you before diverting like a helicopter, I would opt for a Side by Side. They swing a little quicker and are balanced back of center which makes them a little faster and easier to mount and carry.

If you are shooting trap and skeet or you are hunting waterfowl where you are making a more deliberate shot and have to really be on point with your follow through, then an over and under would be a better choice. The weight is a bit more to the front which makes mounting straight up to the shoulder a bit faster. That might seem a thin distinction between mounting before firing, but if you fire a hundred shells in a day the difference might show up the next day.

I have both types along with auto loaders and pump actions. If I had to choose just one type it would be the pump.

Specific questions?

telekinetic · 02-15-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJTWIZTA

What are the advantages to a break action over a pump or semi?

Simplicity, price, and reliability. As long as your shells are good, you *will* be putting one (or two, for over-under/side-by-side) rounds worth of shot downrange.

In order of reliability, from more to less, I'd say break -> pump -> semiauto

Kingruv · 02-16-2009, 05:42 PM

SSJTWIZTA,

After reading your post and twistedmosaic's, I ask you this, are you referring to all break actions or pretty specifically doubles?

samcol · 02-16-2009, 06:33 PM

Well I've shot all types in your example, not thousands of rounds or anything. However my favorite is side by side, then over under, semi auto and pump were kind of equal. I like the semi auto more than the pump when it was working correctly.

I just liked the simplicity of the break action shotguns. They always went 'boom' for me. The semi auto I used jamned once every few hundred rounds, and the pump was prone to partial cocking (probably due to my anxiety of getting the next round off).

I'm sure any of these work perfectly for people who have practiced with them and maintained them well, but I found the break action so simple and trouble free. Break action would be my choice if I was buying one shotgun.

Plan9 · 02-16-2009, 06:55 PM

"Shop smart, shop S-Mart."

...

A lot of this was covered in the "shotgun for home defense" thread. I'd recommend diggin' in that beast.

SSJTWIZTA · 02-16-2009, 08:14 PM

i was just curious is all, all my questions have pretty much been answered.

S-mart is the best. I was afraid to touch that beast.

i was worried that the "shotgun for home defense" thread mostly consisted of "it doesnt matter, short and strong, full choke."

Plan9 · 02-16-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJTWIZTA

i was worried that the "shotgun for home defense" thread mostly consisted of "it doesnt matter, short and strong, full choke."

Totally not the case, bro. Go read that epic. It's full of all sorts of greatness, including my blurb on break-open doubles.

wraithhibn · 02-16-2009, 09:04 PM

Get an 870, simple and reliable.

SSJTWIZTA · 02-16-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wraithhibn

Get an 870, simple and reliable.

i have an 1100, works fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin

Totally not the case, bro. Go read that epic. It's full of all sorts of greatness, including my blurb on break-open doubles.

will do.

02-15-2009, 01:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	Boomstick Questions. a few questions about shotguns. What are the advantages to a break action over a pump or semi? what are the pros and cons to over/under compared to the side by side? __________________ First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me. -Pastor Martin Niemoller

02-16-2009, 06:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Location: Indiana	Well I've shot all types in your example, not thousands of rounds or anything. However my favorite is side by side, then over under, semi auto and pump were kind of equal. I like the semi auto more than the pump when it was working correctly. I just liked the simplicity of the break action shotguns. They always went 'boom' for me. The semi auto I used jamned once every few hundred rounds, and the pump was prone to partial cocking (probably due to my anxiety of getting the next round off). I'm sure any of these work perfectly for people who have practiced with them and maintained them well, but I found the break action so simple and trouble free. Break action would be my choice if I was buying one shotgun. __________________ It's time for the president to hand over his nobel peace prize.

02-16-2009, 06:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	"Shop smart, shop S-Mart." ... A lot of this was covered in the "shotgun for home defense" thread. I'd recommend diggin' in that beast. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

02-16-2009, 08:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	i was just curious is all, all my questions have pretty much been answered. S-mart is the best. I was afraid to touch that beast. i was worried that the "shotgun for home defense" thread mostly consisted of "it doesnt matter, short and strong, full choke." __________________ First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me. -Pastor Martin Niemoller Last edited by SSJTWIZTA; 02-16-2009 at 08:17 PM..

02-16-2009, 09:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
wraithhibn Dopefish Location: the 'Ville	Get an 870, simple and reliable. __________________ If you won't dress like the Victoria Secret girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys.

02-15-2009, 03:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kingruv Upright Location: NoVa	I know I tend to get wordy so will try to bullet point this. What are the advantages to a break action over a pump or semi? 1. Break action guns are less expensive on single barrel models. 2. They are more straightforward to operate. 3. Generally they are shorter for the barrel length because the action is more compact. 4. They can be cleaned a little more easily since you can readily get to the breach. 5. A break action tipped open can clearly be seen to be unloaded or loaded. What are the pros and cons to over/under compared to the side by side? Advantages: 1. An O/U is normally narrower at the forend making it a bit better on handling. 2. The single narrow sight plane is a bit easier to get used to than a S by S. 3. New O/U are easier to come by and in a wider variety of brands and choices. 4. O/U's are typically mechanically cojoined barrels, where almost all older and many newer (what few there are) S by S are silver soldered to the ribs. 5. Manufacturers that build O/U's are generally building for the sporting group exclusively so price is a secondary consideration and fit, function and performance are first considerations. 6. O/U are usually easier to work on the action than S by S and single barrel break actions. (since the layout is different the orientation inside is usually easier to get to) Break action shotguns are hard to work on compared to pumps and auto loaders. Not always but generally with 2 barrels the S by S will be a good bit lighter. (maybe 10 to 20%) This can be a disadvantage or an advantage depending on what you're doing. It would be hard to describe many cons for O/U's there are differences that help choices. Aside from money, assuming everything else is the same, what (not why) do you want one for? If I were hunting on foot all day and carrying for the unanticipated shot like quail or grouse which flush quick and might fly stright towards you before diverting like a helicopter, I would opt for a Side by Side. They swing a little quicker and are balanced back of center which makes them a little faster and easier to mount and carry. If you are shooting trap and skeet or you are hunting waterfowl where you are making a more deliberate shot and have to really be on point with your follow through, then an over and under would be a better choice. The weight is a bit more to the front which makes mounting straight up to the shoulder a bit faster. That might seem a thin distinction between mounting before firing, but if you fire a hundred shells in a day the difference might show up the next day. I have both types along with auto loaders and pump actions. If I had to choose just one type it would be the pump. Specific questions?

02-16-2009, 05:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kingruv Upright Location: NoVa	SSJTWIZTA, After reading your post and twistedmosaic's, I ask you this, are you referring to all break actions or pretty specifically doubles?