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Old 01-17-2004, 12:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sword cane legalities

Ok- so I have started producing staff and sword canes- and know that they are legal to own, possess, and sell here in missouri- what I need to know is if they are legal to carry, say at a renniassance fair- I have searched the web over and gotten nothing, except some nifty info on pocket sized weapons, and local law enforcement seems confused/ uncertain/noncommital- if anybody's got a site to point me at other than levine's, please help.......
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Old 01-17-2004, 01:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Call your local sheriff, although I'll bet it classifies as a concealed weapon.

At least it does around here (Colorado).
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Old 01-26-2004, 11:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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poled a few cops, and a deputy sherrif- seems that here in MO they are quite legal to own, but fall under the Unlawful use of a weapon blanket statute as they are " a concealed weapon capable of causing serious injury or death"- so my customers will be encouraged to enjoy them in the comfort of their homes.

interestingly, mace is not a weapon at all in missouri (evil smile)
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Old 01-27-2004, 05:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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In California, they are a felony to own, much less carry.
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Old 01-27-2004, 08:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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In California, they are a felony to own, much less carry.
I will never willingly live in Kaliforniastan.
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Old 01-28-2004, 04:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Keep in mind that each Ren Fest/Fair and LARP (such as the SCA) has their own rules about weapons. Some, like the SCA, allow all period weapons so long as they aren't used for combat and special care is taken to ward off accidental injury. Others, like the Great Lakes Medieval Faire, will allow peace-tied and otherwise temporarily useless weapons. And, some, like the Greater Pittsburgh Renaissance Festival, don't allow weapons at all. The last group would be LARPs such as ARGO, NERO, POLAR, etc. which only allow bopper weapons.
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Old 01-28-2004, 08:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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In the SCA (at least in my area) Live Steel is permissable given a couple of limitations. Weapons are required to be peace-bonded (as mentioned above), and you must CLEARLY announce when you are drawing live steel (different areas may have differents terms). Part of the reason for the acceptance of live steel is the fact that most SCA events are camping events, and a good knife is necessary, as it is during feast.

For swords and such, they accept the fact that SCA geeks will likely want to draw the weapon and show it off when someone inevitably asks...
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Old 01-28-2004, 10:49 AM   #8 (permalink)
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yeah- on the california thing, there isn't much that is legal to own there- seems like a nice place to visit but hellish to be a weapons dealer in- just walkin around I would probably be facing 50 years (and all of its legal here in MO)
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Old 01-28-2004, 09:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Was at the local gun show, in WA state, saw acouple of these sword canes, they look really interesting. They were out of my price range considering i'm saving for an XD, so i never inquired what was needed to own one.
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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...I made one cheap.

I bought one of the cheap pakastani POS sword canes, unscrewed the flimsy blade that it came with, and attached an epee blade that broke during practice. Then I sharpened it to a nice point....

Now I have a 24" (I know it's not much) sword cane with a nice, stiff ice-pick like blade on it.

Even so, I would probably be better off swinging it at people like a club (it has a big brass head).
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Old 01-29-2004, 01:44 AM   #11 (permalink)
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If you swing that one, and the cane is wood, it WILL break- ( I've sold those, never as a functional item) the epee blade is a great idea though- and 24 inches is quite nice when most wont have near that reach
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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one simple question can i carry a sword out in plain sight in public
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in missouri

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Old 11-05-2008, 12:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Arizona has some funny laws along that vein. Swords are legal, so long as they aren't concealed. But if it folds, like a pocket knife, then you can conceal it, and there is no limitation on blade length...So if I wanted I could conceal a folding sword
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interestingly, mace is not a weapon at all in missouri (evil smile)
You may want to be careful there. At least in Az we have something that defines its purpose on whether its a deadly weapon. Like a wood cutting axe, good, but a battle axe, deadly weapon. A mace, as far as I know, has no other purpose than to hurt people. Even though a large hammer would be practically the same thing. You guys may have a similar law.

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Old 11-05-2008, 08:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Concealment and intent

Interesting things to consider.
In a lot of areas around the non metro areas of the country where things go on traditional common law, intent is the rule that many local LEO's go by.
For instance a man can carry a switchblade without problems if he has a disability that prevents him from using both hands. ( in many places)
The disabled can use a crossbow for hunting, (again, in some areas) but not those without disability.
On the other hand I have been told off the record by several different officers in different juridictions that someone not looking for trouble or causing trouble, but who gets into trouble with a switchblade, will probably simply have it confiscated but not charged (but may even able to get it back later without too much trouble) Much of it pertains to perceived threat and or incitment to violence. The same generally extends to many other weapons that are not concealed firearms. Brandishing of course gets you noticed and may carry its own penalty.

I don't know if this happens at SCA events, but I have noticed at Civil War reenactments sometimes local sheriffs deputies get into the act off duty in period costume as , "battlefield constables"
In locations in the South there were local officers that were coming out to make sure the dead werent looted, civil order was maintained, act as safety officers to make sure things don't get out of hand and in support of provost marshals. If you have someone like this you might ask them.
Also by leaving the matter a gray area, it ends up with the discretion of local prosecutors if it is a criminal matter. In other words "your mileage may vary"


In a lot of places the following equipment would probably get more scrutiny however.
Have a look at this,

beltswords.com


Another option, (where self defense is concerned) less obvious and more practical concerning real life use would be this. These are in use by the secret service here and diplomatic protective service, as well as the Philipine Presidential Protection Service.

The Unbreakable Walking-Stick Umbrella

and a video of same on youtube

youtube.com/watch?v=bO8G5zsQohg
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:28 AM   #15 (permalink)
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interestingly, mace is not a weapon at all in missouri (evil smile)
looks pretty dangerous to me

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