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Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 22, 2021.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    I put this originally in General, because its a humanitarian crisis.
    Although of course politics and all the above are involved.

    Afghanistan faces economic shock as sanctions replace aid - Times of India

    For the Taliban - you better watch out, you might get what you wished for...

    The country and people are VERY different than when your ruled briefly before, 20 years ago,
    Different level of sophistication
    Different access to tech (and the world)
    Different education available
    Different attitudes
    Maybe even different culture.

    And of course, $$$ matters.

    The rest of the world, also has your number...they don't believe anything you say...only observe.
    All the neighbors don't trust you either. (and they don't play nice like the US)

    I think they'll have their hands full for awhile.
    The question is...how much damage and harm they'll do in the meantime.

    Gotta figure out how to help the innocents.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 31, 2021, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2021 ---


    The drugs dilemma for the West in Afghanistan

    There's always another twist and factor...

    It's like this area is the world's constant drug rehab revolving door.
    Nations go in...get addicted, withdraw after damaging their finances, reputations and ethics...only for the globe to invest AGAIN, so it won't kill itself and us along with it. :eek:

    I wonder who the next sucker is going to be??? China? :rolleyes:
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Antony Blinken Defends Afghanistan Withdrawal, Citing Trump’s Deal — The Wall Street Journal

    It was going to be a clusterfuck no matter the decision.

    Stay - it’s a black hole of bodies and resources
    Go - we lose face and take the risk of a terrorist explosion

    Fortunately, it seems OTHER countries are willing to finally kick in.
    Without a take over, which is what the UK and USSR tried.

    China “might” try it.
    But hopefully they’ve learned lessons watching the US and others.

    Basically, I’d treat Afghanistan as a Superfund site.
    Acknowledging it needs cleanup and it’s a previous mess up, keep people away
    And let the locals live knowing they’re going to screw themselves up.

    In the end, the loonies need to fend for themselves.
    I’ll not be surprised if they do terrible things
    I “hope” not, “hope” they clean up their own act.
    It’s like letting the druggy live in the rundown place.
    You can’t save them. Just so they don’t damage others or other places.

    Cynical? Yep
    But sometimes you can’t save the world.

    You just have to take care about yourself
    And keep the trash heap from exploding outwards.

    Frankly, it’s what the MAD principle is based on.

    The US needs to focus on itself now.
    Europe needs to focus on itself
    Russia, China, etc…need to put themselves upright
    So focus on themselves

    Enough of this global brinksmanship
    The world will come together soon enough, by default.
    Technology has made it so.

    Afghanistan, you’re on your own.
    We recommend ignoring all the “Stans” surrounding ya.
    Look to yourself. Look in the mirror.
  3. pig

    pig Slightly Tilted Donor

    I have been relatively quiet in other spaces on Afghanistan. I think it's clear that anytime there was a pullout, a vacuum would follow.....and we know who typically fills vacuums in places like that.

    The people that filled them before we created the vacuum.

    The criticism about leaving equipment behind seems ill considered, but understandable. It's not pretty. But if we'd left the Afghan army without that equipment, we KNOW they wouldn't "stand up," whatever that means in this context. I don't truly know how to really contextualize it..

    But I do know our continued presence wasn't accomplishing much, other than cultural exposure. Maybe change will come.
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  4. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Large City, TX
    The shit was going to hit the fan in Afghanistan no matter how we handled the withdrawals (plural, military and civilian), but things should've been done differently to somewhat reduce the chaos.

    The withdrawal dates are on Trump.

    The backassward withdrawals are on Biden & Co.

    Democracy in Afghanistan.

    Maybe next the USA can try ending poverty and establishing equal opportunity in India. :confused:
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    The Afghan military was made up of 'ghost' soldiers who didn't actually exist, and that's why it collapsed so rapidly: ex-finance minister

    This doesn't surprise me at at all.
    Actually, what I'm pissed about is the Pentagon didn't have a check in place.
    Kinda like the billions "lost" in Iraq.

    Makes me think there's some type of kickback scam happening at the Pentagon itself...or through contractors, etc.
    Not just the corruption of the Afghanis...but on the US side of thing.

    This is the SECOND time this kind of BS has happened. :mad:
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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Large City, TX
    Of course the Pentagon knows a lot more about what's happening than we'll ever hear about. How much of the corruption is necessary to do business where corruption is common, and how much of is "we might as well join them.?"
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    They may be even starting it and coordinating it. :confused:
    Webs within webs...
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