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Politics Biden - How’s he doing?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Jan 16, 2021.

  1. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Foggy Bottom
    I have not seen anything in Biden's health that suggests a decline; I see the same mannerism, the same stutter, the same occasional gaffs that has been trademark Biden for years.


    Biden is responsible for the current "crisis" at the border but several circumstances related to Trump policies contributed to those circumstances.

    Trump's goal was to make it near impossible for migrants to legally seek asylum in the US under the program established in Reagan's immigration law. Part of that was thst resulting funding levels under Trump's budgets for temporary facilities to hold migrants attempting to seek asylum so that capacity had not been expanded in several years.

    More importantly was Trump using what is known as Title 42 public health order to turn away migrants, including children, on claims of coronavirus risks. Last November, a federal court ruled that it was illegal to use Title 48 on unaccompanied minors and issued a temporary restraining order. Trump continued to ignore and defy the court order.

    Nov. 18, 2020...A district court today issued an order blocking application of the Trump administration’s “Title 42” order to all unaccompanied children, nationwide, in a class-action lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Texas Civil Rights Project, Center for Gender & Refugee Studies, and Oxfam...
    District Court Blocks Trump Administration’s Illegal Border Expulsions

    Biden said he would comply and not use Title 42 to prevent unaccompanied minors from entering US seeking asylum, but, on humanitarian grounds, allowed those minors to be held unto a hearing could be arrange or the minor turned over to relatives in the US.

    Again, this is Biden's crises but Trump's actions contributed to the current conditions.

    Finally, as to open borders, there is no policy of open borders under Biden. There is a policy of restoring the asylum program that Trump attempted to gut by any means possible. Under US law, a migrant only need reach the US order, turn himself/herself over to a custom official at the border and claim they are seeking asylum to be allowed to remain in the US until an immigrant court can rule on their asylum request. Very few (less than 20%) requests for asylum meet the criteria established under the law and are granted asylum.


    The vast majority of drugs snuggled into the US come in through ports of entry or legal crossing points...

    According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.
    Fact-checking Trump team: most drugs enter U.S. through ports of entry

    A border wall will not prevent or significantly reduce drug smuggling. Building greater capacity at check points and ports of entry, both in terms of human resources, tech resources and other means is what is needed to significantly reduce drug trafficking, all of which have been included in Biden and Democrats immigration proposals.
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    1. Biden is Biden - but he's perfectly capable and lucid.
    2. Uhh, he's only been in 2 months.

    Let's have some realistic expectations.
    Talk to me again in a year...then we'll compare and contrast.

    Right now, he's focusing on the immediate.
    a. Pandemic
    b. Infrastructure

    And all related matters to those 2...which is a large list.

    That's more than enough.
    It's going to take some months to turn "The Big Ship" (as the Suez Canal administrators are finding :rolleyes:)
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  3. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Large City, TX
    I do NOT like people who blame their poor job performance on the person who previously held their position.

    Trump left many agencies floundering without leadership. He enacted harmful policies, or accomplished the same results by not having a policy. Many important bridges were burnt. The Us vs Them partisan politics reached a new high (or low). He refused to work with the incoming administration; in many cases he created roadblocks.

    We're probably lucky Trump's narcissism limited him to relying mostly on himself; some seriously vindictive cabinet members could've made things much worse.

    I give Biden credit for not putting more blame on Trump.

    Trump certainly didn't shy away from blaming Obama.
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Spot on.

    Yes, for all the disaster that T and his cronies attempted
    Because they were incompetent and couldn’t keep people in. (quoting because they’re sane or fired for disloyalty)
    They didn’t do as much damage as they could.
    Imagine if they had been as organized and competent as the Biden team seems so far.

    Again, it’s still very early...only 2 months in
    And only just getting the heads in.
    Biden’s team seems to be doing it relatively fast because they put in experts and people who know the system. (Not loyalists and political appointees as T did)
    They came in with a mission to hit the ground running and to work together (not opposed to each other as Ts cronies did)

    We’ll see how they do...
    Again, talk to me in a year
    That’s how long it takes to get a real feeling and to see results
    Frankly, it’s really 2 years normally
    But since they’re moving fast, I expect a lot to evaluate on sooner.

    I don’t judge by party
    I judge by results
    How they’re doing for the Nation and it’s citizens
    ALL of them, not just people who “seem” similar to me.
  5. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Foggy Bottom
    This is a positive development after four years of an anti-science administration.

    Biden task force to probe science manipulation under Trump
    If I recall, rogue49 had some experience with the White House OSTP and may have a perspective on the significance of this action.
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Well, I was apart of OMB, which influenced OSTP, however this was more along the lines of Head/Executive placement and policy setting tone.
    The problem with this wasn't often what T administration directed, but WHO they put in. (this is a key factor for ANY administration)
    The president can't do everything, even the West Wing can't
    But what the T White House did, they put in a LOT of loyalists and people who catered to the ultra conservative agenda and mindset.
    So many of them pressed policy that suppressed science or anything non-conservative (actually in a way, deviating from the separation of religion and government principle)
    And promoted and created policy that pushed the same agenda. (including anti-science/tech)

    T often just supported it after the fact, because he figured out that his base liked it. (and his anti-government money brokers liked it too)

    This is a thing that many forget...it's not the prez, it's who they bring in.
    GWB learned this the hard way...he himself wasn't bad...just naïve at first...but it's who his cronies brought in that did much of the damage.
    Including the muck & the yuck Cheney did (something that GWB corrected in his last 2 yrs, but it was too late by then...and the economy went blewie...and the wars)

    Bush Sr., Clinton, Obama and Biden have at least been smart enough to bring in govt wonks.
    Then simply set tone...and general overall policy.

    Biden's weakness is that he's old-school and isn't tech/sci...BUT he's wise enough to get this, and puts advisors and heads that DO get it.

    Basically, they are doing a LOT of clean up now...and this includes getting rid of many T loyalists pushed in...even to the last moment.
    You gotta do a lot of detective work to find all the bad...following the money and bad policy and manipulation will tell them where to repair.

    Another reason, I hate to say, see if there was any foreign manipulation or internal antagonist (more anti-science benefits their sides)
    There so much rotten stuff that got pushed down, they're just in an exterminator mode now...even if just to keep democracy safe.
    It's going to take at least a year...before they're able to even consider more "Dem and/or liberal/progressive" agendas. (as the other side is paranoid about)

    They just want the science based groups to be back on course.
    CDC, EPA, FCC, FDA, NOAA, OSTP, DOE, etc and so on...
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    What’s in Biden’s Infrastructure Plan?

    Here we go
    A big plan, kinda like when Eisenhower did his infrastructure deal.

    Do it while the momentum is yours.
    And you’ve got crisis you can leverage
    And make up for the REALLY big mistakes of the previous prez.

    But truly everyone had been asking for a infrastructure plan for years
    So this is a list of things all the kids want. (All sides)
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2021
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  8. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    I know we need some infrastructure upgrades, and some of the moderate Republicans are making some decent arguments against parts of it. They also don't like the tax increases, which will be a point of contention.

    I don't know if they will get 10 votes from GOP members in the senate who want to see Democrats fail more than America or their own states benefit. And I don't know how much is going to be negotiable.

    My problem with it is that there is no grand project. Something that crosses many states and could be finished in 2-3 years. For example, I would love to work on replacing lead pipes, but nobody is going to notice if it gets done or not. There needs to be some big project that deals with the never-ending drought in the Southwest and California. The Salton Sea could use some water from the ocean and clean and desalinate some of the water that is there. There could be a big city built up around that part of California if that lake was back to being clean... There are bike trails that could be built quickly to finish the Great American Rail Trail. Building some campgrounds at National Parks and even outside of the park, but run by them would be a good idea too.
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