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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    I know they were taking about shutting down the state borders around New York at one point, but it didn't go anywhere. I'm kind of surprised that it didn't become something that was talked about more, especially in states that didn't have cases for a long time. Or maybe they were given information that their states already had cases and shutting down to borders wouldn't help.
     
  2. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    the only border that is closed in NY is the US-Canada border, but there are a few places that you can still slip in because there are no gates or checkpoints from what I understand.

    NY is challenged by the fact that NYC attracts talent that lives in PA, NJ, CT, DE and MA. There are people who commute 3-4 hours to work every day and 3-4 hours back home. They love this work from home stuff. It's like they got a whole day back every day.

    But this is why the states banded together to make a coalition to buy medical supplies AND also manage their openings since infections were spread by the commuting corridors.
     
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  3. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    If you look at the way China and Australia responded, stopping people from moving into different areas is one of the best ways to stop the virus from infecting other areas. I had a friend that was in between Wuhan and Tibet in China in January and she was trying to get to Tibet, but all of the roads were closed. Even the back country roads were blocked off like a dystopian apocalypse scene with whatever they had available to block the roads.

    It might have been harsh, but Tibet has only had 1 reported case the entire time. Although the area around it had a few more, Florida has had more new cases in just 1 day for example. Even the NYC region had more cases yesterday than the entire Tibetan region did this whole time.
     
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  4. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    sounds like us here in ga
     
  5. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Our "wonderful" governor has stated the job of enforcing capacity limits falls to the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission. Which is a total bad joke because the TABC is one of the most undermanned agencies in Texas government, and that's under normal circumstances.

    And he blames irresponsible behavior by the under 35 crowd for the rising numbers. While downplaying/denying the correlation with reopenings.

    Texas still ranks 47th in testing. We've held that position so long it almost makes me think our leaders--political and business--don't want to see any accurate numbers.

    The Covid-19 catchphrase should be "The buck doesn't stop here."
     
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    This whole thing, has been mismanaged by so many officials

    Neglect
    Denial
    Conflict of interest
    Agendas
    Egos
    Ignorance
    Tribalism
    Racism
    Science bias
    Naïveté
    Unpreparedness
    Confusion
    Etc and so on...

    This is ridiculous
     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  8. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    I'm watching our local news. We now have a mandatory mask order customers and employees in Harris County, which includes Houston.

    It seems it took a few days for the data from increased testing to be analyzed. Our numbers have jumped dramatically.
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    One thing in particular in the article & interview jumped out at me: The darkest days are ahead of us.

    Another point is we have to find a balance between taking precautionary actions because Covid-19 is not going away on its own, and letting our economy collapse.
     
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  10. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    realistically....... does a mask help??
     
  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Yes
    But it helps others from getting something from yourself than you. - it stops the spread for the community

    Fact: people can have the virus without knowing it, no symptoms ...actually more often than not (up to 70% of the population)
    Fact: it mostly a airborne disease - spread thru people from coughs, sneezes, even talking and singing, etc.

    The mask prevent the tiny droplets from people from getting into the air as much.
    Not so much you breathing in.

    I think I recall the stats
    IF wearing a mask
    Preventing others from getting it - 75%
    Preventing the wearers getting it - 5%

    So everyone is doing it for everyone else. - it's not a self-oriented act.
    You protect your family, associates, friends, strangers.

    So the more people that do it, the more it prevent the spread and growth of the disease.
     
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  12. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    the N-95 masks, are they actually better?
    i know that the cheap ones are better than nothing.
     
  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Yes, they are certified as the only ones that truly prevent the wearer from getting the virus.

    Not 100% but significant enough...I think 95%
    (correct me if I’m wrong, anyone)

    However, they have to be worn properly.
    Most professionals get trained in their use and how to put one on. (I believe there are videos now)

    Initially, officials asked that people refrain from using them because they was a global shortage.
    They wanted them for medical staff.

    But I think now there’s been a catch-up
    So it should be alright to purchase now.
    (of course, this might change if there’s another wave...supply/demand y’know)

    You also can’t wear them for long
    At first they said 30 minutes...now it’s been expanded significantly...to hours. (You’ll have to look this up)

    I don’t know if you can reuse them...likely not.
    But many do anyway.

    I usually ask my mother as a resource, she’s a nurse, was a specialist in high risk and training others, including doctors. (Boy, if ya think I’m paranoid... )

    I hope this helps
     
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  14. ralphie250

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    i had herd that it was 100% affective but you know how the news is. i Just didnt know.
    i have a few. i have a friend who makes them and i have some uga (bulldogs) ones, and some camo ones. she made my wife and daughter some horsey ones. my work gave us some but i have a big ass head and they are kinda on the small side so when i wear the ones that work gave us it looks like i have a huge camel toe on my face. lol. but i guess i need to be happy that they are trying to prevent it.

    i had herd rumor that some places were getting fined for their employees not wearing masks when interacting with the public. but like i said that is a rumor that i herd. i can not confirm that. Can anyone confirm that?
     
  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Nope, not 100%
    Gwyneth Paltrow and Kate Hudson Are Wearing Face Masks to Protect Against Coronavirus—but Do You Really Need One?

    From a different source...
    As for fines???
    It all depends on the local government or levels above
    Or the restaurant managers and company above
    It depends

    Some can be fine by officials
    Some may have pay docked by companies

    Although the fine is likely to hit the company or store
    And companies or managers just threaten to fire

    Again, it’s not consistent
    That may be part of the problem

    This shit has become kinda like religion
    Some believe, some don’t
    Some are in between, some “sin”...meaning they believe but slip sometimes

    Honestly, I’m a sinner
    Especially in the morning when I haven’t woken need to walk the dog and forget (being in a tower with 350+ units and elevators doesn’t help...but I’m moving out to a house)
    But I always use it going to stores (minimized time in there)
    And don’t use it when going for a walk outside

    But frankly, the damn crud doesn’t care if ya forget
    It can hit ya anytime you forget or ignore it.

    Fortunately, they’re finding that your odds increase with volume of people, time with them and being in enclosed areas.
    So outside parks, not bad
    Outside restaurants seating, worse because of time
    Taking a taxi or uber...not good at all

    Make sense??
     
  16. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    There are P100 masks that are 99.97% effective at stopping virus particles. However OSHA/CDC/3M haven't done any tests that I could find to figure out if that 0.03% of dried virus particle might be infectious, but it is doubtful.

    It is the type of full face mask I wear indoors in public or at mass gatherings.

    I had it from some industrial work I did last year, but it works for viruses. It also works against tear gas, but the police didn't give up their stockpile to help prevent the spread of the virus in March for some reason.



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  17. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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  18. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Even though I somewhat prepped for a biological plague to affect modern society, I never expected there to be a real pandemic that impacted the USA this much. I was paranoid of getting sick from all of the kids who came to my door for trick or treating 3 weeks before a big race I was in, so I had a biohazard suit from my Halloween costume.... But I didn't think I would have to wear it out in public.

    I finally got around to reading that article, and it is realistic. Except I'm not sure the herd immunity thing at 60%-70% is the solution. Nor do I think that most people agreed to this solution. I know there will be the anti-vaccine people when they claim one of the vaccine candidates work, but I think we are going to have to stop it at some point. The article does mention that there needs to be better leadership, but I wonder if we would be able to do a very hard shutdown for 5 weeks if people were able to prepare for it. And basically shutdown until there are no new cases for over a week. People will need to stay 20 feet away from other people, indoor public spaces would be closed. Any grocery store, restaurant, or home improvement store would need to go to a drive-thru only setup. If this was December/January, I could see this working a lot better than now. You would then randomly test people and if the region has had 0 new cases, it can open up a little, but still restrict people from neighboring counties if they have new cases. What they did in March/April should have had a bigger effect, but the grocery store, gas stations, and meat packing places and too many other places were exempted. Plus hospitals didn't wear the right PPE. They should be wearing the masks I posted above.

    The biggest problem in stopping it in Ohio is that this virus is almost always hitting the big cities and sometimes in the suburbs. Most rural counties have had 0 new cases for weeks. And I don't see them wanting to get to 60-70% for herd immunity when they might have had 0-10 cases total the past 3 months.

    Especially with all of the horror stories about the recovery from this virus that I have heard about. Let alone the duration of it.

    Opinion | ‘I Wish I Could Do Something for You,’ My Doctor Said
     
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  19. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    The book he touts at the end is rapidly climbing up my to read list. I will load it into the reader and see if it grabs me immediately.

    The author says 5%-7% and there's still more pain. For those of you who haven't seen other posts from me where I have lamented that in the past 13 weeks except for 1, I have lost a friend or a friend's family member. There is at least 1 loss or multiple. Last week there are 6 people on that list, a couple were not COVID related but it is still shocking to have so many deaths in a short period of time in a small centralized area/community.

    I can't even imagine that we still have another 60% to go for herd immunity.

    https://www.amazon.com/Deadliest-Enemy-Against-Killer-Germs/dp/0316343692
     
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  20. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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