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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Large City, TX
    Shortage of porn....

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  2. Herculite

    Herculite Very Tilted

    Now THIS is interesting...

    $425M in World Bank catastrophe bonds set to default if coronavirus declared a pandemic by June

    I wondered why they changed the wording on what is a pandemic, and why they are so slow to call this one.

    While I do think its still being over stressed about. New data shows the death rate, if that data is to be trusted of course is closer to 1%, but I haven't looked at their methods, it was just a press briefing, could be BS.
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  3. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    The death rate is weird. Yes, if it gets into a cruise ship or a nursing home with vulnerable populations, then it can spike. But outside of Wuhan, the virus has stopped killing people in China it looks like. And for some reason they have more cases in South Korea, but Italy and Iran have more deaths. The death rate is 0.6% in South Korea, 2.6% in Iran, and 4.25% in Italy (and 4.24% in the US, except we haven't tested enough people to know if the number of people who have it is higher or not). And there is still 41% who currently have the virus for which their outcome is unknown. The other 57% of people have recovered.

    So, it is interesting that people gambled on catastrophe bonds though. It sounds kind of like my idea of how individuals could have come up with a set amount of money and received universal healthcare. But $425 million isn't really that much. The US just passed a $8300 million ($8.3 billion) package to fight it. Or $25.22 per person.
  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    @ASU2003 there are still deaths in China, it’s just not as much as previous (+33 new deaths last noted)
    Yes S.Korea seems to have a much lower rate. But they’re aggressive on prevention and resolution.
    With a very robust health system...probably from all those decades prepping for North’s aggression.

    Chaotic nations have higher rates, Iran is not reporting the serious/critical and are minimizing deaths. Italy is raging but they have a national health plan. The US’ is likely higher, especially now we’ve reported 15...there’s likely more not reported.

    This is a leaked document...
    Doesn’t bode well
    And it jives with my calculations so far if the virus avg trend continues.

    It’s going to not just be a disaster but a serious brain screw for Americans. We’re not used to tons of deaths (other than from guns &cares, that is)
    We freak at relatively small numbers.
  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    96 million catching it sounds high. I think people will self quarantine without the government forcing them at some point. I don't know when that is though.

    480,000 dying is possible though. Although, I would think if it spreads fast and infects and kills too many people, things will change drastically before it gets that high.
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    No ordinary flu: Coronavirus and the lessons of the 1918 pandemic for a world on edge

    "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it..."

    Meanwhile, I'm tempted go to an invite I got.
    But no, I'm staying away
    My county got hit, god knows what more is there already (and I don't wanna be a hypocrite...warning but then diving in)
    There's always another...

    It's like my martial arts taught me, "1st Rule: Don't put yourself in the situation in the first place..."
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  8. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    The 5th has now tested positive here in ga....

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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    China To Investigate After Whistleblower Doctor Dies From Coronavirus

    Things that make ya go, “hmmm”.

    Sounds like China is doing some CYA
    This is the doctor that started the alert
    In early December

    It didn’t get full blown until mid-February

    So that means timing wise, the US should see exponential growth in April
    It’s just starting to really take hold...

    Hopefully the US can do effective measures like South Korea.
    Like a testing drive through

    But I get the sense that our government is not behind things like that.
    I hope the 8 billion doesn’t get pissed down the drain
    And T plays it like Wilson did in 1918
    (Hell, Wilson even got the virus back then still repressed it)

    100 years
    And we’re still doing the same shit.
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

  11. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    Personal opnion question..

    Is this something to be very concerned about or just mildly?

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  12. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    If you are worried about dying from it, only if you are older (55 on up) or immune compromised.
    The big problem is that people can get it and not show it for a day or so.
    They can also have mild cases so if they have a job that don't have sick days or insurance then they will continue to spread it.
    Which is why it is getting spread to old folks homes.
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Good question...
    It's VERY concerning...
    To be real, to not presume and not to underestimate (most countries have so far, South Korea is doing very good, Italy and Iran not really)
    1. Anyone can die from it - it's just that if you're less than 30, the odds are low, less than 1%...BUT greater than 60 goes to 5%
      1. This data from China, it depends on the national response...the USA has been poor so far so those odds go UP
      2. If you have many pre-existing conditions those odds go way UP
        1. Heart disease, breathing difficulties from allergies to asthma, etc. and so on...
    2. Anyone can get it - they're predicting approximately 1/3 of the population will get it
      1. The incubation time is up almost a month now (24 days) - which mean carriers can spread it for that long.
    3. 80% of those that get it, will experience "mild" which can be barely anything like a cold, to a strong cough that sends you to the doctor, hospital or urgent care to get rid of it.
    4. 20% (or 1 0f 5 people) will get serious or critical - meaning you won't die...BUT you will be laid up feeling like death warmed over for 1-3 weeks, in bed or in the hospital.
      1. AND hopefully quarantined away separated from everyone
    Estimates are SERIOUS this is moving TOO fast for governments and scientists to get a handle on or truly know what can happen - everything is guesswork.
    It could go person to person, animal to person or person to animal, be spread by food or air even...or even be caught in vents or walls or dry surfaces. (this is potentially true and are facts)
    It could even mutate to be resistant or a different strain.

    MOST times - it spreads by volume of people/groups, proximity/nearness, time nearby and by coughing/sneezing

    To prevent it...
    • Avoid large groups (really - concerts, events, speeches, charities, popular bars, dance clubs, etc...)
    • Avoid coughing & sneezing people
    • Work at home, if possible
    • Maybe even refrain going to restaurants
    • Maybe want to cancel trips (especially using mass transit - planes, trains, metros, subways, buses and boats)
    • Avoid international travel
    • WASH HANDS often (antibiotic/alcohol goo doesn't likely work with this stuff) --- avoid opening doors with bare hands
    • Spray and clean often with Lysol, Windex and other good normal cleaners
    • do NOT swallow bleach
    • May want to fist bump or otherwise, avoid shaking hands (sincerely...pretend you've got a bad cold and don't want to give it to others --- even if you do NOT have a cold)
    Again, this is SERIOUS
    Even IF you don't die, or don't get sick...you may LIKELY spread it.

    Please don't dismiss it or ignore it.
    This IS real and important.
    If not for yourself, then loved ones (especially for older parents and significant others)

    It's serious enough that you may lose someone you care about or know.
    Please be prepared for this.

    Do NOT panic
    Please act smart
    Please be aware
    Watch, listen for public service announcements. (they may even STOP travel or ask you to stay inside....depending on the severity.)

    Again ANYONE can get it.
    Rich, poor, city, county, leaders, executives, celebrities, etc and so on...

    Let's not underestimate this anymore. - it's here, it's real
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2020
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  14. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Most importantly - Don't be a racist fuckhead.
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  15. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Do you remember the H1N1 (Swine) flu a few years ago Ralphie?

    The Obama Administration reported that 12,469 people died of H1N1 in the US during that flu season. (Source = Estimating the Burden of 2009 Pandemic Influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009–April 2010) )

    The CDC claims that as many as 575,400 people died of H1N1 worldwide. (Source = First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Released by CDC-Led Collaboration | CDC )

    The NCBI says that somewhere between 700,000,000 - 1,400,000,000 contracted H1N1. (Source = The Age-Specific Cumulative Incidence of Infection with Pandemic Influenza H1N1 2009 Was Similar in Various Countries Prior to Vaccination )

    Some of the numbers are "estimates" because, like we see today, every person isn't able to be tested due to a lack of test kits, the fact that treatment between "regular" flu and COVID-19 or H1N1 is exactly the same, or because people recovered prior to testing.

    So for H1N1 we were at up to 12,469 dead in the US, 575,400 dead in the world, and 1,400,000,000 cases of H1N1.
    For COVID-19 we are up to 21 dead in the us, 3,803 dead in the world, and 109,835 cases of COVID-19.

    Absolutely take the basic common sense precautions we should all know to take during the flu season. Yes, this is worse than normal flu in that it isn't covered by the flu vaccine. But those numbers (which will obviously get worse in the next couple of weeks as testing improves, so watch them as they change) should help put it in perspective for you.

    A good exercise as this gets worse is to keep those H1N1 numbers handy, then track them against this site: Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

    tl;dr - Wash your hands a lot, cover your face when you cough, try not to touch your face, stay away from sick people and from others if you are sick, and always fact check the media (social like TFP, and otherwise) to see if their level of hysteria is justified or not.

    Stay healthy my friend.
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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Unfortunately, this is part of what people underestimate this serious illness.
    They're confusing and overlapping the whole of the normal flu...which while the overall total count for the WHOLE year and WHOLE nation or world false equivalence of this one.
    Yes...in total numbers, the flu is more...BUT we need to compare apples to apples.
    NOT apples to oranges - this includes H1N1, SARS and MERS

    The normal flu has been around for years and has an anti-virus, BUT it's death rate 0.1% versus this one (COVID19) which is now 4%
    That's 40 times more lethal
    AND this one is WAY more virulent...spreading faster
    AND there is NO anti-virus (this won't likely be available and distributed until NEXT year.

    Again, let's not compare apples and oranges...and figures noted here for H1N1 are for the whole H1N1 crisis after the scientists and health groups were able to reconcile and gather ALL together after a # year period (2012-2009 when it occurred)
    It's a false equivalence to say this compares to now. (the scale and timeperiod are different, plus looking at things after the fact, instead of real-time "fog of war"

    NOW we're talking about and active illness
    AND it's still spreading...
    AND it's not done with China, although it's slowed down...for now.
    AND it's been only know since the start of only 2 months and a couple of weeks.

    The advice for prevention IS correct.
    The numbers are an NOT - it's an unfortunate underestimation...and misconception of the potential harm.

    Let's please not dismiss or underestimate this.
    Too much is at stake.
    And any unclear and incorrect info is a potential threat to people who may not understand the significance.

    If we post any info, please put a time and research context into it for accurate comparison.

    Actually, @cynthetiq may have some good perspective on the matter.

    I'd rather be accurate and clear.
    I'm not perfect, so I don't want to presume.
    But I'd think we'd want good comparisons and context too.
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  18. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    New York City
    I’ve been watching this unfold and make its way into the NYC.

    First and foremost the knee jerk reaction to avoid Chinatown and racially attack Asians and chinese with comments and xenophobia. Is laughable at best because all that and it presented first in a person who travelled from Iran. The next time it surfaced it’s Westchester and turns out to be from a Jewish congregation.

    Fat lot of good it did avoiding Chinatown and decimating some of the local long established businesses.

    I’ll post more in a bit.
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  19. Herculite

    Herculite Very Tilted

    I'm still siding with Musk on this one.


    The panic is far greater than the disease is as far as I can determine.

    Its stupid but its not stupid at the same time, provided people are going to act stupid, which they are apparently. If you believe this to be a horrible pandemic, something CNN is calling it then it would make sense to avoid China town since they are more likely to have had visitors from the infected areas than others just based on many of them having family etc still there. I can't blame people as a herd because thats how people are acting with cleaning supplies and hand sanitizer sold out across the country (and even hording toilet paper) but I do blame the media for feeding into the "village" mentality.

    We are not suppose to have global knowledge as a species, this is new, so our brains treat everything like it happened next door or just down the street. Its why kids don't play outside like they used to anymore. Its why something bad that happens 1200 miles away makes people change behavior locally, or in this case, 6500 miles.

    We're still tribals living in our tiny villages, afraid of the world.
  20. terryna New Member

    Honestly I'm not so worried about Corona and no influence on my job[​IMG]