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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    I'm guessing those ^ numbers have much to do occupation, namely a larger percentage blacks and Latinos have jobs that don't allow working from home.

    If what I see in my area of town is representative, they also have more multigenerational households, which includes friends as well family.
     
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  2. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Where ever I roam
    I would be curious about how many were rich, middle class, or poor with no health insurance? Age is also a factor, although people of all ages get sick, the deaths hit the oldest the worse. Which is different from the 1918 Kansas Flu that killed healthy people with overactive immune responses.
     
  3. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    Oh yeah, I remember that.
     
  4. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    sending good vibes, hope he gets over it soon and with no side affects
     
  5. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    Location:
    At work..
    We have someone here who has been sick for about a week and my boss finally made him go get tested. He is 28 years. Their were a few employees here that were complaining about him because they were/are concerned about him possibly having it. WHen he was told to go get tested he got pissed off and said he had no insurance and could not afford the $175 cost for a rapid test. Long story short myself and a fellow employee gave him the money to pay for it.....

    He was negative...

    The qustion is how many people dont get tested for that reason?
    He said that he does not have hearth care because he does not go to the dr because he thinks they are all stupid and only want your money. Wither or not i agree with that is beside the point. Lets say he did have it, how many people could he have infected? he could have died..
     
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    The answer...many.

    That’s one of the medical system is broken.
    Because not all employers give benefits
    Because not all people have insurance
    Because many neglect themselves (have “reasons”)
    So issues keep lingering and growing
    Then the need to go to expensive emergency rooms to at least recover...but not fully fixed.
    It’s a vicious cycle

    And with a thing like Covid-19, it’s spread about the whole time.

    BTW, still be careful...
    1. The tests are not foolproof yet...about 30% false
    2. Even so, He’s got “something”
    And it doesn’t sound like he’s too keen on taking care of himself. (Or not spreading whatever he has)

    2 problems...first, some “tough it out” and keep going
    Second, they have to keep working...pay bills, etc
    Businesses don’t help, wanting work
    It’s a conflict of interest
    Meanwhile, the illness keeps spreading

    Again, it would help if we had some type of universal coverage.

    I’m not saying this because I’m a tree hugger
    I’m saying it, because it would save TONS of money
    And keep sick people home and get better quicker.
    Then they could get back to work without making everyone else sick.
    It’s our own self interest, frankly....a beneficial selfishness
     
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  7. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    I've heard MANY people make broad generalizations such as
    "People with health insurance, can go to the doctor, they can have the operation."

    Having health insurance is definitely better than not having it.
    But--speaking from personal experience--a $6,000.00 deductible and a 20% copay can be expensive for many people. Also the insurance companies pay 80% of what they see as standard charges; any discrepancies are charged to the patient,*

    $6K + $10K (20% of $50K) + $Misc = A lot of $$$ for many people.


    * After procedures requiring a hospital visit, especially in-patient, we have always received several bills for what the insurance wouldn't cover. The anesthesiologist, assisting surgeon, hospital gown inspector, etc.
     
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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Baltimore/DC
    Internal Documents Reveal COVID-19 Hospitalization Data The Government Keeps Hidden

    The victims everyone forgets about...those that do NOT die.
    How MANY are hurt or impacted by the virus???

    Just like we noted above...it's $$$ too.
    How many are sick for how long?
    No working?
    Medical bills piling up.

    Sure, you're not dead...but you've feeling dead and just went through hell.
    And the nightmare may continue for some...
    It's not a normal cold or flu...some of the affects are lingering with chronic damage. (if not just simple exhaustion that won't go away)

    It's going to take a LONG time to calculate out the REAL and TRUE damage and impact.
     
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  9. connyosis

    connyosis New Member

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    Nora, Sweden
    Reading stuff like this makes me totally fine with paying higher taxes. If I have even minor symptoms I can go get tested and not pay anything. Should I get it and wind up in the hospital I'll get covid sick pay and don't have to worry about massive hospital bills (I think I'd be charged something like $20 per day I'm staying at the hospital).
    Being able to be tested should not be dependent on your monetary situation, and hospitalization should not put you in massive debt. That's just wrong. My own personal opinion of course.
     
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  10. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    I agree, with all this shit going on I think testing should be free. But its not for whatever reason (all about the money in my opinion)
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    During war time we have war profiteering; we most certainly have pandemic profiteering. The jump in profits would be, at least should be, easy to find in public companies that have to show their finances. Private companies can keep the numbers secret.

    Vaccinations (plural = optimistic) and other relatively easy to administer treatments will be major profits for some companies.

    Medical research isn't cheap. The pharmaceutical companies have to get the money from somewhere. The other companies have to make enough of a profit to make staying in business worth the effort.

    Determining reasonable profit and excessive profit, who gets to do it, how it's accomplished, what to do about profiteering, etc is extremely difficult. As it should be. We shouldn't act on knee jerk reactions, and shouldn't automatically accept information provided by the companies.
     
  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Baltimore/DC
    Actually, the US is paying for the rest of the world’s medicine.
    The most other countries negotiate out their drug prices.

    The US is a premium, where they charge you an arm and a leg by comparison.
    The companies profit galore, it’s this they do all the R&D for.

    Yes, they’d do it for the other countries even with the negotiations
    But it’s America that they get rich from...and it gives them huge incentive.
    Much less their marketing bonanzas and conflict of interest kickbacks and pushes to doctors and hospitals.
    (don’t even get me into what I saw as an insider when I worked in Pharma industry)

    The reason the Covid tests aren’t free as much.
    Because the Trump administration doesn’t want to do it.
    They want less proved to keep the numbers down.
    Congress would fund it in 2 seconds (or at least the House...the GOP Senate balked)

    It became the States responsibility to pay for it
    And offer it for whatever they could decide or allow.
    It depends on the state and who’s in control.

    South Korea did tests galore
    It really helped keep numbers low and things under control.

    Too bad we don’t have our act together.
    I’m all for someone making money
    But this is an emergency.
     
  13. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    I wonder if there is a correlation between race and income? (i.e. that there are more poorer Latinos) and whether the ability to pay for health insurance plays a larger role in this?

    In more Oz related news - we recorded zero new cases countrywide today. This is a huge step for us. At least in Sydney (where I live) a lot of things have returned to "normal", though there still seems to be a lot of people working from home and indoor public spaces have limits on people. Our state government did fairly strict lockdowns but once through our first peak, have gradually eased restrictions, with the understanding that they ramped up health and tracking services to handle future outbreaks. We are almost at the point of all internal borders (between states) being open again.
     
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  14. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    I do hope we get to this point.
    my wardrobe would cost a lot less. :p

    Although a bit chilly in the winter... ;)
     
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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Europe’s Hospital Crunch Grows More Dire, Surpassing Spring Peak

    Europe is spiking again, even more so than Spring.
    The US is just a month or so behind...

    I think we may get a lump of coal in our health stocking this holiday season. (black lung from the coal)

    Meanwhile...
    We're still Who Done It with China...WHO? They don't know...and China isn't saying anything
    But there are still unanswered questions
    And the US certainly isn't paying attention
    Beijing Has Blocked WHO from Investigating COVID Origins
     
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  17. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss Donor

    I have been working the whole time. We did spread everyone apart to 2 meters in the offices. No one has had it here which is interesting. 120 people.
    The numbers are going up again here in the UK, but deaths are way lower. Sweden has been interesting to watch since this started. Their numbers are up but deaths low.

    We are in lockdown once again. I had to cancel two trips to the USA this year. First one was in May and now December. Miss my kids.

    Anyhow, I've been away from here to long. Lovely to see everyone is still going strong.
     
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  18. connyosis

    connyosis New Member

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    Nora, Sweden
    Numbers were always going to go up with fall/winter. Here's hoping deaths stay low for both of us (And with a new president, will drop for the US).
    After summer we started going back to the office twice a week which I thought was a bad idea and made clear to my bosses. Last week since cases started going up not just countrywide but also in the city I work, it was decided to go back to working fully from home.
    New recommendations have come out here in Sweden now to avoid going to stores, malls, museums etc. unless it's necessary visits. Swedes generally follow recommendations from authorities (And I read recently that travel now has dropped about 14% so it seems to work) so I'm hopeful cases eventually will slow down and drop.
     
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  19. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    My dad lives in Missouri (right outside of St. Louis) in an assisted living facility (long story), their are roughly 70 people that are in there. They all get tested every Tuesday. He only goes outside to smoke, other than that he stays in his room. He has a private room and does not have to share a room with anyone. My sister called me Tuesday night and said that he had tested positive. So now he is upstairs (the quarantine area). She asked me to call him and see how he is because he told her that he was fine, and she didnt believe him. She told me that I know him better than she does. So I called we talked for a few minutes and I learned he is scared and feels like ass. I text him everyday, only because i know he gets winded very easily so i dont want to talk the wind out of him so to speak. As of last night, He feels like pure ass

    "This fucking shit is way worse than when i had pneumonia when i was 40 something, Im living in the bathroom. That way i can shit and puke at the same time. I cant fucking breathe. This shit sucks. And I aint eating or anything. just dont want to"

    That was pretty much what he said. Talked to my sister this morning and she said that if things did not start to get better today then they were going to take him to the hospital. The only reason they have not yet is due to he keeps saying that he dont need to go yet and he will let them know when he needs to. Guess i know where i get my stubbornness from.
     
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  20. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted Donor

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    Columbus, OH
    I hope your father’s health turns around quickly and that he is able to recover outside of the hospital, or have a short visit for supportive care. I’m sure it must be hard for you to be so far away at a time like this! Hugs!
     
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