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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. OdinsFreya

    OdinsFreya Vertical

    Location:
    US
    How pompous of you. To say that your opinions are backed by science, insinuating mine are somehow made up, wrong. It certainly was a personal attack and I no longer wish to have any interaction with low vibrational sheep.

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  2. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    There will not be a federal mandate but there may be situations where the feds can require proof of vaccination. One already in discussion would be in application for US passport.

    It is certainly very likely that many state/local governments will require/mandate the vaccine for first responders, other public safety officials and all hospital workers with the few exemptions allowed under federal law (some religious exemptions and for those with proof of medical conditions under ADA that would face risks with vaccine- not waving a fake ADA card as proof like the anti-maskers).

    Any business can do the same as a condition of employment (or customers ) and protecting the health of their workforce (or workplace) again with the same limited exemptions. I would expect we might see airlines among the first with a requirement.

    On the larger issue, there is no credible scientific or medical evidence to support any of the outrageous claims regarding the covid vaccine (not suggesting that applies to the above post) . But the accelerated FDA approval does leave questions about the possibility of any long-term adverse effects.

    Polling on the issue suggests there may be some correlation of those who oppose the vaccine and those who believe the covid-19 pandemic is a hoax. (again, not suggesting that applies to the above post).

    Science in public policy has taken a real hit in recent years and the results are not good for overall public health and safety.
     
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  3. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    weird. I have some friends with severe neurological damage from COVID. I guess it's not as bad as the flu

    I had it in March and thought I was going to die luckily I didn't need to go to the hospital.

    I know at least one person or friend's family member die every week since the last week of March.

    But hey you take the gamble with your life. The problem here is that people are taking the gamble for their life and then going out and risking others.

    YOLO.
     
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  4. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss

    I know quite a few people (family members) that don't want to get the vaccine, mainly because death by COVID is very low. I'm over 60 and you can believe me I will take the vaccine. The Oxford Vax was pretty much developed the old fashion way the other two are new technology. They have already developed mRNA cancer treatments, so I believe it's pretty safe...but if your child bearing age I would not take the mRNA, I would wait for the Oxford. There just isn't enough data yet on the effects of pregnant women.

    This is a cool article about the past mass vaccinations projects.

    Vaccines Don’t Mean We’ll See the Last of Covid, Experts Warn — Bloomberg
     
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  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    A little humor.

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  7. boink

    boink Getting Tilted

    Location:
    Seattle
    My situation is isolated by default, plague or no plague..
    Work at metal shop is normally distant by 8-20 feet. Don't let my welding arc burn your eyes, or my grinder sparks burn you or get in your eyes either. Only 2 co workers..
    Home is me and my indoor cat.

    So life goes on without real change other than the grocery ninja costume.
    I miss my interactions with the cute girls at the bank teller line. I miss the smiles of all the cute women behind cash registers. It's about all I had socially.
    I'm not feeling a huge urge to get any needle but I will, along with shingles vax, when I can without standing in line for hours.

    As far as masks go and all the freedumb stuff...
    Well, if you have sex with someone and give them aids, it's a legally actionable offence. So, just pretend this shit is airborne aids. Maybe it'll help to imagine your having bloody sex with all the strangers within a 10 ft radius while your evaluating the tomatoes in the produce section ?
     
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  8. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

    Location:
    At work..
    My daughter starts back to school tomorrow. and its in person, Mixed feelings, but not real happy,
    A teacher in a neighboring county died over "winter break" (being PC) and alot of teachers are talking about not going back to school. They say she got it from school.
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Location:
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    The husband of one of my wife's coworkers died yesterday from covid complications. She got a call at the school that he was being sent to the hospital, and he died less than an hour later, before she was able to get to the hospital.

    He had covid in June 2020, and his (partial) recovery was long and difficult, complicated by other health issues.
     
  10. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss

    Well the UK is complete lockdown once again. There are over a million positive cases in the last few weeks.
    Blaming the mutant strain. Crazy!
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    One of our Republican senators, John Cornyn, is telling businesses in Texas to ignore a rollback order. An order issued by our Republican governor.

    Yeah. Business as usual has worked out so incredibly well :mad:.
     
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  12. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

    Location:
    At work..
    surrounding counties around me have all decided to do virtual learning for atleast 2 weeks.
     
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  13. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    What if
    all of the time, energy, effort, money, etc
    put into challenging the election results
    had been used to formulate and implement
    a national vaccination plan?
     
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  14. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    That's scary.
     
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  15. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I'm surprised they aren't giving the students a month off, and then do virtual until the teachers and school staff are vaccinated. School might go into June, but once the virus is more under control, it would be better for in person classes.
     
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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Large City, TX
    Funding.

    The public school districts are afraid of losing funding that is tied to attendance.

    The private schools are afraid of losing students through withdrawals, and donations stopping.


    Edit--Fixed typos.
     
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  18. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Large City, TX
  19. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Large City, TX
    I know the news media loves to exaggerate things because controversy means increased viewers, subscribers, site clicks, etc.

    Keeping that in mind, the stories about the vaccination bottlenecks at the state level are disturbing. OK, Operation Warp Speed got several vaccinations out very quickly (as I've previously posted, credit goes to the PharmCos, not the politicians).

    What in the hell were the states (politicians and those in charge of medical programs) doing while the vaccinations were being developed, and especially once approval seemed absolutely certain?

    Is the slow process on the states, or a lack of coordination at the federal level? Most likely a combination of the two.


    The following is obviously an oversimplification; the amount of advance planning would undoubtedly have problems. But some kind of effort to develop a real plan coordinating the PharmCos, and officials at the federal, state, and local level would've been nice.*

    * Of course some attempt was made. How much effort was put into it? Did it fail? If so, at what level? I haven't seen any detailed reporting.

    1. The states start developing a general distribution and vaccination plan
    once vaccination testing results look very promising (or even before).

    2. The PharmCos provide some tentative but realistic release and distribution dates.

    3. The federal health agencies help determine, and ensure, proper distribution based on need. Obviously accurate and reliable data is necessary.

    4. The vaccinations are shipped and received.

    5. The states know what to expect and when it will arrive. They have planned in advance how to distribute the vaccine, and where to send it.

    6. County officials, working with city officials, follow plans developed in advance to administer the vaccinations to those predetermined to need it the most.
     
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    The media turns everything into a horse race
    :rolleyes:
     
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