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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    While I don't want to get sick (and am uninsured for the first time in my life), I don't worry about it killing me.

    However, I don't think the government, businesses, and regular people are taking it seriously enough to prepare ahead of time if they don't want it to spread. Yes, part of that is that nobody likes an over-reactive government that shuts down travel and events because 20 people are sick on the West Coast. And travel bans didn't keep a girl I knew who was in China from returning here (although she went through a 21 day quarantine in China and a 14-day home quarantine in the US. But she got around the China flight ban by flying to Thailand first, which is a shaddy move that I would have expected the airlines and customs to have caught. (Delta had canceled her return flight and said May 1st was the earliest they would have flown).

    The irony is that in Tibet it is safer there than it is here in the US now.

    My question is when is it socially acceptable to start wearing full face respirators in public? Supposedly the virus hasn't infected anyone in this state yet, but only because it might be they haven't tested all of the people who are suspected of having it or who have come in contact with people that do have it. There are people who have been confirmed to have it in the next state over.
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  2. Herculite

    Herculite Very Tilted

    Authoritarian governments are always going to have an easier time with this sort of thing. Its like civilization game, they get their few pluses and minuses, this is a plus, but the minuses suck enough you don't want to live in one.
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    While I agree the Financial panic is currently greater than the disease

    The disease is still very real and something to truly prepare for.
    This is REAL and growing exponentially (for example, a drill down to the US from the real-time metrics and status site I posted before)
    United States Coronavirus - Worldometer

    And yes, many go too far with purchases and hording (as many do during holidays and storms...always, foolishly so)
    It's also likely true that you do not want to be out and about in large groups as it grows...
    AND resources WILL get thinner by lack of supply (less shipping, trucking, stockers, servers, etc...)
    So who can blame some for prepping for quarantine

    I'm sorry, I've got a good memory, I've never seen this before. H1N1, etc... (only during 9/11 and hurricanes)
    And I'm normally not one for paranoia...having fully ignored all other viruses etc. in the past, even really AIDS
    I think most who've known me long enough haven't seen me talk about illnesses at all. (sure, pissed at Trump, Russia and other political stupidity and selfishness....but viruses???)

    This one's different, bigger, faster...and the globe is reacting different.
    Excessive? Financially, Maybe Justifiable. Definitely. Underestimating the risk and growth and impact? Most experts are now saying yes.

    And most governments are woeful unprepared and slow to react or know HOW to react.

    Again, it's good not to panic...and to be cool and collected.
    But it's also good to prep, be civil, be adult and act smart.

    It's not an either/or black & white scenario.
    It's constant observation, evaluation, waiting, preparation and if necessary, calm reaction.
    Same as if you were driving on a very busy highway going thru a big city. Eyes on the road, all senses aware, hands on the wheels, feet on quick on the break & gas.

    You don't have to panic
    But you also shouldn't dismiss
  4. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Worldometer - real time world statistics

    That link has a bunch of other cool Worldometer stats on what kills people.

    Also, the BBC is reporting that scientists are finding that most people show symptoms in 5 days and there is about a 1% chance you have it after exposure if you haven’t shown symptoms inside of two weeks. That’s much less than was being reported earlier, so that’s positive news.

    Both Johns Hopkins and the University of Nottingham have positive news that, except for elderly people who also have pre-existing conditions, it seems the percentage of people who have more than mild/typical flu type symptoms is less than many people presumed it would be.

    So while a serious thing, as the actual experts are weighing in, it seems that the real data is leaning towards a severe flu strain, not some population destroyer.

    View: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51800707
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    @Herculite ...so now we know why they’re panic buying.
    Which I don’t understand either

    The psychology behind why toilet paper, of all things, is the latest coronavirus panic buy — CNN

    I mean, I bought from the store
    But I’m not wading into a mad house
    Nor am I getting more TP even though I have some
    I just bought more than typical because I knew I wasn’t going out as much to restaurants or events.
    That would make sense.

    Then again, many people don’t make sense to me.
    It’s a weird world.
  6. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Wow, you're uninsured, ASU? You seem like such a risk averse guy that comes as a bit of a shock to me.

    If you have proper training for the PPE, wear the mask whenever and wherever you want. It will never be socially acceptable to play it safe.

    I am considering cancelling travel next week because I would rather not deal with being away from the kids with all this going on. I'm emotionally exhausted just knowing it's a thing.
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  7. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    How do you see things playing out around you over there in Georgia, Ralphie? Do you see a lot of people worrying in your in-person interactions?

    I see a lot of panic in social media but haven't seen the worry so much in person here in Florida.
  8. Herculite

    Herculite Very Tilted

    Here its been interestingly most people making fun of the over reaction. That being said they are putting limits on products you can buy (amounts) at the bigger stores, so obviously some people are still going into the panic horde mentality.
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Actually, medical people are saying do NOT wear a mask unless you’re actually sick.

    One, only the special medically trained masks are the only ones documented to prevent the virus.

    2nd and most important...after 30 minutes
    The mask becomes saturated and then it’s MORE susceptible to attracting, holding and giving the virus.
    Because of the warmth, moisture and being near your face.

    If you’re not sick
    Just wash your hands
    Don’t touch your face.

    I don’t know about other places
    But it’s starting to affect DC
    You can see restaurants, clubs and gyms being very slow
    And the more typical popular area are much quieter.
    People, even the ones that joked before, are starting to be wary.

    But it’s different in a big city
    And definitely different in the US National capital
    Especially with all the military and government buildings and entities around.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they went on lock down
    That’s being hinted at with my connections

    Every city and region is going to be different
    Just read the true news. Keep aware.
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  10. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    as bad as it sounds, living in ga home of the worlds busiest airport you would have thought it would have gotten here alot quicker than it did. or maybe it did.

    hypothetically speaking lets say Bob has a job, lives paycheck to paycheck. contracts the virus, has to be home quarantined. how does Bob explain to his boss and/or bills that he has no money cause he cant work.... I think this will be one backlash of it.

    Is the media blowing it out of portion?

    i read where the masks are useless to prevent contracting it, but useful if you have it..
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  11. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    @genuinemommy i see alot of people avoiding the airport. The local news reports that they have hired extra people to help clean and sanitize the entire airport.

    @genuinemommy @Herculite most people in my daily life (coworkers) we just talk about it. meaning what have you herd, i saw, i read, etc... no mass hysteria.

    with that being said a teacher who teaches at 3 local schools tested positive for it. that was released yesterday. all the kids in the 3 schools were sent home and the entire school district (fulton county) was closed today so they could sanitize the schools. This morning i woke up and had a news alert on my phone that a day care worker had tested positive for it yesterday. so of course they closed the day care. I watched the news at noon today and of course they interviewed parents whose kids went to the schools and they were panicking.

    a waffle house worker tested positive and that was released today. all 12 employees were sent home to be home quarantined and they closed that particular waffle house. you know its bad when they close the waffle house. :cool:
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  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    It isn't one of those cheap masks that don't do anything. ;) This is the full face respirator that I have and the filters should block the virus*.



    I would rather have the mask than not, but I kind of doubt that the few dry virus particles that might make it through are enough to infect you. And even then, I don't expect to be using it in a hospital setting around hundreds of sick people. It is more likely going to transmit to you by touching the outside of the mask with an ungloved hand after taking it off.
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  13. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Indeed, you know it's bad when they close Waffle House!
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  14. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    There was a lot of coverage about how quickly China mobilized temporary field hospitals to respond to this. Today it is being reported that they are able to close many of them, as the number of new cases has drastically dropped, and more and more people are recovering.

    Wuhan closes makeshift hospital as new coronavirus cases in China drop sharply

    Obviously the danger there isn't over, but it is a positive sign that the new infections are back down to the lowest levels since mid/late January.
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Correct, in China it’s scale down...for now.
    South Korea is doing pretty well, they’ve enacted a lot of aggressive habits...like drive thru testing
    Germany doesn’t have one death yet, last time I looked...they’ve got strong insurance policies.
    Russia solution is to say quarantine yourself or go to prison.

    Places like the US are having a hard time.
    Their culture is too dynamic and undisciplined
    Italy, Iran, Spain, etc...
    It doesn’t help that the US doesn’t have the best health policy.

    It also depends on how the government is reacting
    Or has reacted before it hit.

    This thing is a doozy, different than the others
    These surprisingly common underlying conditions make coronavirus worse — National Geographic

    @ASU2003, yes that’s the kind of mask
    The only one that can prevent the CV19 or any virus.
    AND you have to be trained how to put it on.
    Any incorrect wearing or seal, it won’t prevent it.

    We’ll see how we do
    It’s not looking so hot.
    Kinda ugly as the mask...
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2020
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  16. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Why Deaths from Coronavirus Are So High in Italy

    This is an interesting read on how demographics impact the number of cases and severity, which helps explains Italy’s struggles. It also has info from South Korea showing how low the death rate really is (0.6% there) once you include lower risk and less severe cases in the stat pool.

    Many employers in the US, even those like Walmart who are known not to be too employee friendly, are implementing relaxed policies towards attendance, working from home, or how quarantines will impact employment.

    Walmart sets emergency leave policy for 1.4M hourly workers
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  17. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    An older population! Aha! Now Italy's numbers make more sense.
    Also explains why it's hitting Japan pretty hard, since they have 28% of the population aged 65 or older.
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  18. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    New York City
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  19. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    New York City
    Yes older retired folks...
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Yes, but Italy has a very dynamic and kinda rebellious nation.
    Germany tends to be stricter
    South Korea has been prepped for North attack for years.
    Japan is also incredibly dense in population and still allows movement

    China just locked everything DOWN
    At least once they didn’t deny it.

    Question is, the US going to lock down???
    If so, then it may be better
    Remember, young folk may not get sick
    But they can be carriers

    And from what I hear in Italy, even IF they’re not dying
    The serious and critical cases are overwhelming the system.
    With this thing, it’s not “just” about death, it’s harm.

    Think it like comprehending the wounded in war.
    Death is just one factor
    There’s more
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