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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    I feel kind of lucky.
    The Native Corporations have been handling things very well so they had extra and those of us 50+ are coming out good on that.
    I get my vaccination on Thursday.
     
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  2. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Teachers are FINALLY being recognized, officially, as high risk (well, duh), and moved up the vaccination priority list.
     
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  3. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    I just watched TX Gov Greg Abbott attempt to defend his recent decisions, 100% reopen and retracting the mask mandate.

    He's full of shit.

    It reminded me of seeing Steve Martin (there is a strong resemblence) on SNL "back in the day."
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    The Best Global Responses to the COVID-19 Pandemic, 1 Year Later

    Here’s the nations that did it better
    Some, just because they were small
    But the key was isolating and leaping on it.

    I was surprised all still had cases and deaths and hospitalizations...it truly is a pandemic.
    But at least they acted.

    The ones that screwed up...had some form of denial.
     
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  6. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    (*This is a US-centric infographic)

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    I hope the vaccines work and are effective for a long time, along with the antibodies from people who have recovered prevent them from getting re-infected. That is the only way we will get over this. We are at 534,275 one year after the US went into lockdown . It was at 143,000 after the first 4 months. I wonder what it will be a year from now? I'm sure that the restrictions will be lifted and the vaccinated will have to trust the vaccine to protect them, but there will be a large group that tends to gather together that might not get the vaccine.
     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Well, it’s more like 650K...but who’s counting?

    In the US, we’re going to have some more spikes and cycles...because we just don’t learn.
    Before it was T-day, Xmas...now, Spring Break and lax’ing restrictions now because we now have the antivax (despite the fact MOST people haven’t gotten it yet)

    I’d ask the question again next year...or at least by September
    We’ll have more accurate counts now that helping administration has just taken over from a hindering one.
    We’ll also see what the antivax actually does if given in volume to most
    And if any variants make a difference, if not worse.

    We’ll easily get over a million by Fall.
    And that’s being conservative. (and even with the antivax)

    It ain’t magic folks.
    And we’re not all that smart in total.
     
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  8. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Well 55 days without a locally acquired case ended today in my state in Oz. Still, one case isn't too bad (prior to starting contact tracing)
     
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
  10. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I hope they try and figure out if the deaths were hidden on purpose to make it look like the pandemic was being handled better, or if it was human error and they honestly missed a few thousand deaths due to the software not confirming all of the cases (~4,000 in Ohio from November-January).
     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    This is where medical research fails. There are probably close to 60 million people in the US that have been fully vaccinated by now. What I want to know is how many of that group has come down with Covid in a noticeable or damaging level? Can they find people easily (5% of 60 million is 3 million people)? Or is it very hard/impossible to find a symptomatic vaccinated person?

    I get my shot next week, but I don't know which way things will go this Summer. I should not be this early. It looks like by June they will have to start begging people to get the shot that are hesitant. Maybe the variants going around and increasing case numbers will cause people to get the vaccine. Last year, the virus slowed down in the North, but I think the vaccinated people will disregard restrictions and that will let the anti-vax people have a free pass to join them. If they are at outdoor events, there shouldn't be a big issue, but I have a feeling that there will be a lot of sick people this Summer and in the Fall if they don't get vaccinated because of bars and indoor dining. I also worry that a lot of them won't even get tested to try and keep the numbers down for some reason.
     
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  13. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Seattle
    Last night I spoke with the cousin I have regular communication with, she said she got vaxed and is waiting on 2nd shot.
    But ! Her trumper son in law (toxic masculinity dude who buys mini 22 cal pink camo ar-15 for 1st grader daughter for Christmas after school shootings) will not get the vac and therefore my niece won't either and I suppose both their daughters won't either.
    2 Christmases ago I asked him (walking out of Christmas church service my cousin likes to do) if he believes in god and all that and he said he believes in facts...
    With maga hat on the lamp shade, trump mini airline vodka in a display cabinet, Marlon Bundo Pence rabbit book on the coffee table...man I don't know about his fact assessment abilities.
    Maybe something in his psych evaluation kept him from being accepted in the fire department which is his dream job ?
    I just wonder what these men's group meetings are that my cousin said he goes to.
    I don't know... maybe I'd want a men's meet if I lived with 3 women and next door to a 4th, his mother in law - my cousin.
    My cousin feels the need to keep her vaccination secret at this point. That doesn't sound good to me.
    I won't see them till next thanksgiving unless we're still neck deep in outbrakes.
     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    It does seem to be related to toxic masculinity...
    Almost like they trying to “Cowboy it”
    Prove how tough and independent they are.

    They seem to be compensating...

    Like if you cannot grasp abstract ideas or things you can’t see...you must reject them.

    I wonder if the psychologists and sociologists are delving into this.

    Because it’s been a hinderance on many fronts in society.
     
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  15. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Seattle
    Fortunately we don't talk politics at all during holiday visits. He seems ok, just from somewhat opposite views of many things in life I spose. We both know building and construction for wealthy people, me in homes and him in big fancy boats that have garages on the side and stuff. Me for very small 3-4 person shops including owners and him for a giant shop top heavy with admin.

    It is what it is I guess. I sure hope they don't catch anything and I do know they all wear masks and don't have crazy arguments with greeters and checkers at grocery store.
    I think they might relent and get vaxed after a while.
    I'm not yet able to get the shot yet and I'm not sure if they could if they wanted to. My cousin is a little older so that allowed her to get it, she's feeling fine, no ill affects.

    I really wish the news would stop showing needles stabbing into arms.
     
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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    On a positive note...

    AstraZeneca’s COVID vaccine shows better-than-expected efficacy in U.S. trial — STAT

    Good to see
    Because it’s almost as if there’s been a push against it.

    They’ve been on top of the AZ antivax more than any of the others.

    My conspiracy side wonders if this is a negative press campaign against it to allow the more
    expensive ones to have some advantage.

    Wouldn’t surprise me, considering the antics I’ve seen in the pharmaceutical industry from the inside.

    They can get insidious.
     
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  17. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Seattle
    Insidious ? A comforting word for sure lol.
     
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  18. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there! Donor

    And now this: NIAID Statement on AstraZeneca Vaccine

    There is something very seriously wrong at that company.
    They made an unforgivable error with the dosing of the vaccine in their European trial and now this statement from the NIAID.
    I do clinical research. You never ever want to see or hear a statement like this in regards to research that you have done.
    I can guarantee some folks will be looking for new jobs soon. I'd be prepping my resume if I worked there and had anything to do with the Covid trials.
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Like I said...insidious
    It goes all ways
    The things in pharma are nuts.
    The back and forth between players goes beyond Hollywood soap operas.

    I could easily see all sides in a tug of war.
    In the end, it’s going to come down to reality.

    They’ve given enough of the stuff by now.
    All of them, not just AZ.
    They’ll be able to see what works and what doesn’t.

    We’ve done these antivirals so fast, trials and so on
    I wonder about all of them
    And I wonder about the government’s capabilities too.

    This whole thing has been a cluster fuck.

    In the meantime, the virus just waits and acts.
    It either works, or it doesn’t.

    We’ll probably have another surge by Summer because of all the antics.
    AV issues, early openings, Spring Break, resistors, etc in all countries.

    However, they will still keep distributing the AZ
    Why? Because it’s cheaper. A fifth of the price.
    $$$ talks
    And so does the ability to pay...many can’t.
     
  20. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there! Donor

    I'm not sure what you mean by this.
    The problem for AZ now is that they have performed and presented badly flawed research and been called out on it publicly.

    There is a process for doing good biomedical research. Those of us who do it, know that process very well.
    AZ has failed at some of the most fundamental tasks in drug development.

    Imagine if Tom Brady couldn't remember the snap counts any more, or forgot how to throw a common pass play.
    That's where AZ is right now.
    People are baffled how they could have fallen so far.