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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Not sure how you reached that conclusion. Vaccine has a reported rate of 90%, not 100%. That means 1 out of 10 people can s develop covid post vaccination. Do you need help with statistics, or do you have a political position that is counter to logic? Statistics we can help you with.
     
  2. KeithStone76 New Member

    Location:
    US
    You mad bro? It also has a 99.7% survival rate. Statistics.

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  3. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Who won the election?
     
  4. KeithStone76 New Member

    Location:
    US
    What does that have to do with anything? If you want to be mad, be mad at China.

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  5. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Ok boomer. Not answering is all the answer we need.
     
  6. KeithStone76 New Member

    Location:
    US
    You sure are assuming a lot about me. Who is 'we'? What does winning an election have to do with Corona?

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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC


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    Ok, calm down...everyone leave the political arguments in the Politics section.
    I know I'm guilty of it myself at times. But let's focus on the Covid side here.

    * BTW, if one is new to the site, they may not see the Politics section by default. If can't be seen and want in, just make a request.)
     
  8. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    My understanding is that the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it - it reduces the severity. I saw a graphic from the UK. If you had 100 non-vaxed people who would end up in ICU, after first vax shot, only 16 of these end up in ICU and after second vax, only 4. We really aren't eliminating it - just mitigating the outcome from it.
     
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  9. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Can anyone explain vaccine hesitancy and skepticism without politics? You ahould look up the paradox of intolerance. You cannot rationalize someone out of their position that they reached irrationally. But enough ridicule at least causes some to keep to themselves and not spread their mental poison.
     
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  10. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    It is a funny thing. In Australia, at least, current outbreak in Sydney notwithstanding, we have had very few cases, very little hospitalisation and very few deaths. We have had hesitancy because most people don't see a burning need. Our Fed government appeared to play into this by not really ordering enough vax for everyone (Oz is last in the OECD for vaccination rates). They also figured we would mostly use AZ, as it can be locally manufactured. As it turns out this wasn't a great decision.

    The current Sydney lockdown (going on 5 weeks now, and not really slowing down the current delta outbreak) has been a real catalyst for people to actively seek a vaccine.

    We really only have access to AZ and (not enough) Pfizer. The gov advice was not to give AZ to under 60s because of the risk of blood clotting, though this has now changed to "discuss with your doctor whether you should have AZ" for anyone. The media played a hefty part in people not wanting AZ because of the infinitely tiny risk of blood clotting.

    I have had my first AZ (before the advice was for us under 60s to not have it) and have about a month to wait for my second shot (supposed to be 12 weeks apart for maximum efficacy). Pfizer shots are 3 weeks apart, but our supply of this in Oz is limited. Further, because of the limitation our Govt has rules on who is eligible (I have a 17 year old son - who is not yet eligible).

    I also think social media gives a platform for the conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers to spread misinformation much more easily than previously possible. Most people are too lazy to research debunked theories and will latch onto something that sounds reasonable.

    I want to get vaccinated as sometime in the near future, I'd like to go on f!@#ing holidays again, and being restricted to where I can go sucks!
     
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  11. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    They work.
    The problem is the variants.
    But at least if you catch one you are way less likely to die.
    Like 98% less likely.
    Seems like good odds to me.
    Like wearing a seatbelt.
    It doesn't mean you won't get into a crash, it doesn't mean you won't die, it just means your odds are a hell of a lot better.
     
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  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    The big question I have is where is the vaccine formulated to protect against the variants? They were really quick to make an mRNA vaccine for testing against the original strain, but need to do some more work on speeding up a booster shot against the delta and other variants. Throw in some common cold Coronavirus protection too and maybe preventing the common cold would help people want to get vaccinated, because most people have had colds before.

    Biden has until October/November to get it under control, because once the holidays start and people travel and spend more time inside, it is going to get bad. Even if it was only the unvaccinated and previously uuninfected 120,000,000 at risk.
     
  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Those Virus Sequences That Were Suddenly Deleted? They're Back

    That's a significant bit of paranoia & conspiracy for you... :eek:
    BUT, it's from New York Times (not a source that's known for kooky stuff, actually they've got SERIOUS cred for investigations)

    Ok. Yes, that's a curious connection.
    Hard part is this...you've a huge amount of cover up going on here. (Mr. Robot like)
    ALL parties have agendas to cover it up and save face or keep hushed for security purposes. (and only a very few, like NYT, that want to expose & reveal)
    So you've got layer after layer of secrecy and obfuscation.
    Even legit good scientists may want to CYA. (their rep, not to be blamed for a pandemic :oops:)
    Must less the labs, hospitals, governments, etc. (on all sides and countries)

    My instincts say the whole CV19 scenario is going to get weirder & stranger.
    But I'm going to take a wait and see attitude...this Gordian knot is going to take a LONG time to unwind...no sword to quickly split it and get to answers. :confused:
    Curiouser & Curiouser...
     
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  14. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    " You will not wear masks in this church! You will not wear masks in this church! Do not get vaccinated! Do not get vaccinated!"


    View: https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1421886805427867654

    This is happening more often than we might think.
     
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  15. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    I tested positive for breakthrough covid this morning after symptoms started up Friday evening. I had my pfizer vaccine shots the end of April.
     
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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Be well, sir.
    I'm very sorry you're having to go through this.

    I guess the shots were at least helpful to prevent hospitalization or worse. (I hope this is the case)

    Shows us, nothing is guaranteed. Just better odds.
    Take care of yourself and I hope it's gone soon.
     
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  17. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    Wishing you a speedy recovery.
     
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  18. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    The mRNA “target” of the vaccine, so to speak, encodes a protein that is just a building block of the COVID virus, not the entire virus. Even with variation/evolution of the virus, this building block molecule has been pretty consistent and allows the immune system to recognize at least some of the variants. How effective the immune system is at attacking the rest of the virus or the virus as a whole, however, is part of why people are still getting sick post-vaccine but not as severely.
     
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  19. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    Take good care of yourself man.
     
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  20. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    All of these breakthrough cases make me want to talk to my new PCP on Friday about getting a booster. Especially if I'm potentially going back to working in the medical world.
     
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