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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Sorry to hear this Chris.

    I think that vaccine hesitancy is a real world example of how easy misinformation is spread, particularly assisted by social media and big media companies who are chasing every "click". It seems the dissenting voices are greatly magnified - 20 or 30 years ago they would have been a very small minority. I know a few people who would not be your standard "anti-vaxxer", who are greatly against these specific vaccines and who seem to be heading down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, which just seems to harden their position.
     
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  2. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Thanks to everyone for your condolences, they are appreciated.

    There were many complicated family dynamics at work. Unfortunately covid denial and anti-vac stubbornness were part of it.

    Sis2 has now lost two of her three children, lung cancer and covid-19 respectively.
     
  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Moderna's vaccine is the most effective, but Pfizer and J&J also protect well, CDC-led study says — CNN

    Good to know
    I’ve had the J&J myself
    From what I understand it’s fully effective vs death (not 100%, none are)
    71% vs hospitalization
    And it seems to do better vs some of the variations including Delta.
    (Correct me if I’m wrong anybody, it all blurs together)

    It was convenient to do one and done.

    And I seemed to have weathered my transcontinental roadtrip.
    Although, I only went to my hotel room in comfort

    Used universal precautions in gas stations
    Using gloves or cloth to prevent touching
    Stay isolated in my car or outside mostly.
    Most food was by drive thru
    The couple of restaurants I did had outside seating

    And I avoided visitor and information location
    Since they had tons of people trounced thru and lingering and talking, etc with kids and other unaware.

    All sightseeing was outdoor locations.

    I think the most difficult was hotel lobby sign-in
    And the plethora of toilet types. (fortunately they’ve gotten better at hands off environs…however there is NO reason to have Damn heavy doors with huge handles inside AND faucets/soap that don’t allow non-palm/finger touching :rolleyes: it’s 2021)
    Frankly, I got good a being a nature boy and using the barren off-roads to whip it out for #1
    (Otherwise, still used a facility…I’m not that rugged or anti anxiety)

    I also sprayed down my phone and dash with Lysol periodically.
    CV19 isn’t touch based really mostly air given
    But there are tons of other things

    And I hit 23 states fast (wanted to minimize and give myself odds…colds put a crimp in the style of vacations and after)

    Think I did pretty good despite the pace and volume of locations. (Minimizing people)

    There’s a way to have a vacation even in the middle of the crud.
    No planes & trains, just one automobile.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  7. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    This is also why I worry we will never see it. I don't know what they do in other countries, but unless we have 'tribal' based care, there will be too many people who don't want to pay for others who don't live like they do.
     
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  8. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    I suspect the USA is far too capitalist to ever do it. It is a shame - Australia has an amazing health system and you can easily survive without having health insurance at all. To be fair, there are situations where we can get things faster through our private hospital system, but a visit to hospital should not be a cause to bankrupt someone.
     
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  10. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    It is insane. On the other hand, maybe it opens up beds for other vital treatments like life saving surgeries for heart and cancer patients.
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    They aren't like most people. The people who make up The 2016 Perfect Storm of Discontent are now being influenced by the conspiracy nuts..

    Some of the misinformation being spread in the firearms community is scary.
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    College Student Dies from COVID After Mom 'Encouraged, Threatened and Nagged' Him to Get Vaccinated — People

    Unfortunately, we’re going to see this happening again & again

    Especially as we head to Winter
    It’s going to be a COLD one…
    And I’m not talking temperature.

    The antivax and antimask and anti-Covid folk should be ashamed encouraging “freedom” and being carefree

    The government no matter what side, should be ashamed, being so passive, to allow the naysayers to encourage the same.

    One is senseless
    The other spineless

    Death is your heritage
    Harm is also

    Look into the mirror and understand the consequences of your actions and lack of them.

    To wait is to waste.
    Doubt is the destroyer.
     
  13. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    My sister and BIL are still the last holdouts amongst their families. My BIL's parents' next-door neighbor just died of COVID at age 37 with a wife and 1 year old at home. He was a rabid anti-vaxxer. I'm hoping that proximity might get my sister and BIL to get their heads out of their asses and get vaccinated. FFS, they just had the kids get flu shots last week!

    The guy I started seeing was exposed last week and got tested today. My BIL has a sore throat and also got tested today. I'm hoping I don't have to go through that whole process again, but I do at least know that I have the emergency PTO available at work to safely quarantine for 2 weeks without losing any income.
     
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  14. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    My understanding is this week there will be a large increase in the number of people getting fired because they refuse to get vaccinated. I hope the courts uphold the firings.

    The far right loudmouths are getting more vocal in criticizing the Biden administration over Covid-19, the Delta variant, vaccinations, and boosters. They conveniently forget it was Trump who refused to develop a national plan, and passed the buck to the states.
     
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Action - Reaction

    Even the lack of action is an action - and there's a large reaction to it here. :mad:
    IMHO - do your duty
     
  16. connyosis

    connyosis Vertical

    Location:
    Nora, Sweden
    I mean the answer is pretty simple, in other countries healthcare is funded by taxes. The US seems to be allergic to any sort of tax increases though so I imagine it'll take quite a while before the US sees something like that.
    I get it, it sucks seeing a large chunk of your pay being taken away. Knowing that I or my family members can get care and not going bankrupt in the process is worth it IMHO.

    We all got a massive cold in the family last week. My wife went down to the local health clinic, picked up a covid test from a box outside and did the test at home. Dropped it off and got the results later in the day (Negative thankfully). Cost nothing and we didn't have to deal with any health insurance bullshit.
     
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  17. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    Most working age Americans get their health insurance through their employer.
    They are already handing over a large chunk of their pay to the insurance company, and getting pretty poor insurance and care in exchange.
    If the government ran the system, that same chunk would come out, it would just end up somewhere different.
    There wouldn't be a big change in what people took home in their paycheck.
     
  18. connyosis

    connyosis Vertical

    Location:
    Nora, Sweden
    I believe you. I guess it's the idea of the government instead of a business taking your money feels worse for some reason.
    I don't know, the idea of your healthcare being tied to your employment is crazy to me.
     
  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Yes, I think it being tied to an employer is stupid.

    Perhaps, a compromise…create a pool for a person.
    Then the job can put into it.

    Kinda like Social Security

    But at least it gets employers out of ANY decision making on your health insurance.
    Because they often skimp
    Or lower the quality or type, to save money

    Employers just need to give the $$$
    We work, they pay
    KISS

    That would solve much of this pandemics issues
    Much less, anything else
     
  20. connyosis

    connyosis Vertical

    Location:
    Nora, Sweden
    It's an idea, but it doesn't solve anything for someone being unemployed does it? Or someone having a low paying job where whatever the employer would put in that pool wouldn't cover medical expenses anyway.
    I just really feel that being able to get healthcare should not depend on whether you have a job or not, or how well that job pays. It should be a right to get decent healthcare and not have to worry about costs.
     
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