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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Herculite

    Herculite Very Tilted

    Illinois is as of tomorrow.

    I'm having to lay off all my employees.

    10,000 people have died world wide form this.

    Normal flu deaths per year in the US is between 12000-60000 per year.

    When this is over the politicians will take credit for their great life saving.
  2. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    New York City
    I have a DDS friend thinking the same thing, and even considering bankruptcy.
  3. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Can’t remember your trade/job, but the exceptions list is pretty lengthy. Is there any chance of qualifying for that? We are considered essential, and other than some extra WFH for people who don’t usually get to do so, we are continuing to operate.
  4. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    in the states and or cities that are on "lockdown" can some one please define what that means. what is open? closed? what happens if you leave?

    i read where here in ga we are the 8th largest state as far as positive tests. but it seems its taking so long to get results who knows
  5. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    and what/who determines "essential"
  6. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Here is the exact order that IL signed into place, that is effective this afternoon: https://www2.illinois.gov/Documents/ExecOrders/2020/ExecutiveOrder-2020-10.pdf

    So, for the most part, the state decides what is essential. Businesses can typically try to define themselves as "essential" and stay open until that is disputed or overturned. It's really kind of an "honor system" in that people aren't getting in huge trouble (yet), other than getting told to shut down if they are obviously not "essential".

    Under "Section 1" (starts 2/3 the way down the 1st page and continues through many pages) look at numbers 1-4. 1-4 are what they want people to do. Stay at home, close non-essential businesses, not go to places where lots of people will be, and not travel around unless they have to. Number 5 says what you can travel for, health and safety of you and your pets, to get food or household items you need, to go for a walk or jog, essential jobs, and to take care of other people. Numbers 7-10 cover many places that will stay open, like anything related to healthcare, social services like the Dept of Children and Family Services or Medicaid offices, places that provide social services to older or disabled people, people who are involved in construction, public utilities, maintaining roads, etc., and essential gov't functions, Number 12 covers gas stations, grocery stores (including liquor and cannabis, believe it or not), banks, mail, laundry services, critical trades (read H for examples), restaurants for pick-up only, manufacturers for critical companies, etc.

    It is a lot to read @ralphie250, but if you go through all of section 12 you will find that the "exempt" list is very long. Someone like you would probably be exempt because transportation is essential and that includes keeping cars and trucks in good repair.
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  7. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    @Borla thats a good read. i just didnt understand what exactly was what if that makes any since.

    i dont mind working. i have plenty of work which is normal for what i do.

    on a side note, i got an email yesterday from my daughters school stating that as far as they knew school would resume on tueaday march 31st.. Then this morning i get an email baciclly stating that school would not resume until atleast April 13th. which is the week after scheduled spring break.
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  8. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    the way i read it pretty much everyone except blue collar workers are "exempt"
  9. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    what does section 3 mean? the very last thing titled "savings"
  10. bobby

    bobby More Than Slightly Tilted ! Donor

    Living in Washington near Seattle is weird, almost total compliance with the stay at home order, ferry's almost empty, freeways wide open at rush hour!
    At 73 I'm well and staying home except to buy groceries every 3 days or so. using my time to work in yard and paint the living room! No rest for the wicked!
    The island I live on only has had 3 cases reported out of 20,000 residents ....
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  11. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    they say orgasims help to boost your immune system. just sayin....
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  12. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member Donor

    @ralphie250 , that really isn't accurate at all. The list of people who are exempt include janitors, mechanics, construction workers of all types, gas station employees, supermarket employees, tradesman of all types (HVAC, plumbers, appliance repairman, etc.), truck drivers, factory workers in any industry still running, and any worker necessary to support any exempt business. So for example, all the blue collar workers a hospital, grocery store, hardware store, or restaurant would need to keep functioning stay working.

    If any single business or industry stays open, all of its workers are automatically exempt. That includes the lowest entry level laborer to the highest executive.

    That clause is in there so that, if one specific item of that order is challenged in court and overturned, it does NOT mean the entire order is overturned, just that one item. For instance, if someone sued saying that liquor stores don't need to stay open, and they won, that would mean ONLY liquor stores would close, not that the entire order was tossed.
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  13. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    New York City
    Essential health care operations including

    • research and laboratory services
    • hospitals
    • walk-in-care health facilities
    • veterinary and animal health services
    • elder care
    • medical wholesale and distribution
    • home health care workers or aides
    • doctor and dentist offices
    • nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
    • medical supplies and equipment providers
    2. Essential infrastructure including

    • utilities including power generation, fuel supply and transmission
    • public water and wastewater
    • telecommunications and data centers
    • airports/airlines
    • transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, or for-hire vehicles, garages
    3. Essential manufacturing including

    • food processing, including all foods and beverages
    • chemicals
    • medical equipment/instruments
    • pharmaceuticals
    • safety and sanitary products
    • telecommunications
    • microelectronics/semi-conductor
    • agriculture/farms
    • paper products
    4. Essential retail including

    • grocery stores including all food and beverage stores
    • pharmacies
    • convenience stores
    • farmer’s markets
    • gas stations
    • restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery)
    • hardware and building material stores
    5. Essential services including

    • trash and recycling collection, processing and disposal
    • mail and shipping services
    • laundromats/dry cleaning
    • building cleaning and maintenance
    • child care services
    • auto repair
    • warehouse/distribution and fulfillment
    • funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
    • storage for essential businesses
    • animal shelters or animal care or management
    6. News media

    7. Financial Institutions including

    • banks
    • insurance
    • payroll
    • accounting
    8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including

    • homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
    • food banks
    • human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support
    9. Construction including

    • skilled trades such as electricians, plumbers
    • other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes
    10. Defense

    • defense and national security-related operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government
    11. Essential services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of residences or other essential businesses including

    • law enforcement
    • fire prevention and response
    • building code enforcement
    • security
    • emergency management and response
    • building cleaners or janitors
    • general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
    • automotive repair
    • disinfection
    • doormen
    12. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including

    • logistics
    • technology support
    • child care programs and services
    • government owned or leased buildings
    • essential government services
    If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an essential business.

    A list of essential services defined by New York State
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  14. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    thats what i ment, maybe it sounded better in my head
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  15. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Ah, gotcha. I thought you meant only blue collar workers were NOT allowed to work.
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  16. MrMD069

    MrMD069 Very Tilted Donor

    A shout out to all the first responders and front line people working out there. My son is a firefighter and is out and about. Also, thanks to all the food workers in the stores and the restaurant folks doing yeoman's work and providing food via walk up or pick up.

    Stay safe and be healthy.
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  17. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member Donor

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  18. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Large City, TX
    This thread contains some serious reading.

    I'm going to post this anyway.

    My wife & I have been stretching our food and other supplies as much as possible. In the last two weeks she went to Kroger once, me to Sam's once. I'm going to Kroger and/or Fiesta today; not sure what to expect.
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  19. MrMD069

    MrMD069 Very Tilted Donor

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  20. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    At work..
    i typed it backwards