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Florida lawmaker wants to bring back electric chair, firing squad

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Baraka_Guru, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. dippin Getting Tilted

    I don't think anyone said that economic factors do not matter. And if you are not making that argument, then better read what the exchange is about before jumping in, "buddy."
     
  2. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    So the only way to argue with you is if I take a ridiculous position. TFP Politic'd.
     
  3. dippin Getting Tilted

    Huh? I hadn't even interacted with you in this thread until you jumped in with the typical victimization.
    Eddie had said that the "non-white" countries with the lowest murder rates were the ones with "public executions including stoning." I pointed to Morocco, Chile and Algeria as going against his claim.
    Nothing about economic factors mattering or not, etc. Very straightforward examples of Eddie being wrong. But apparently citing Chile in those circumstances is "absurd." You want to argue other positions? fine. But please read the fucking argument.

    As for "TFP Politic'd," last I checked this subforum is optional. No need to end every post about how much of a victim you are for even attempting to post here.
     
  4. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Yea, I'm such a victim. I keep saying how i'm such a victim. :rolleyes:

    If you're gonna say, "don't respond to me unless you're responding directly to my narrow argument" then, I suppose I can remind you to do the same.

    If you weren't saying the death penalty was ineffective, then you didn't have to respond huh? Or, do you prefer to push everyone in to simple ridiculous racist arguments or "victimization" arguments since that makes it easier to swallow?
     
  5. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I was just asking. Given the number of eyerolls present in your post, I thought you might have turned into an adolescent. I think teenagers are into the Twilight.

    And there shouldn't be anything notable about me claiming that you're lowering the quality of the discussion immediately following you complaining about the quality of the discussion. I wasn't the one complaining, remember? It is notable to complain about low quality discussions immediately prior to cumshotting contempty emoticons all over the place.

    Right? I mean, if you come into a restaurant and complain about how shitty-tasting the soup is, then order some for yourself, add some of your own shit to it while still complaining about its shittiness, that's kind of weird. It isn't weird for someone who was already eating the soup to point out the inconsistency.



    What makes you think I was only speaking about heat-of-the-moment murders? Did I explicitly say that I was only considering heat-of-the-moment murders? Don't impute.

    And I'm not much of an I-Banker. Quantitative analysis is more my area of focus. With regards to that, and the efficacy of the death penalty as a deterrent, there does not seem to be a preponderance of evidence that the death penalty reduces violent crime. There have been a smattering of studies claiming to find a correlation between capital punishment and reductions in certain violent crimes, however, the statistical models used in these studies were apparently based on erroneous assumptions (like the assumption that there isn't any temporal correlation between homicide rates), which, when accounted for, either reversed the effect or rendered it statistically insignificant.

    There's a good summary here: crem.univ-rennes1.fr/EPCS11/.../epcs2011_submission_253.pdf

    The gist of this paper is that most of the studies that have come out over the last few decades suggesting that capital punishment has a reductive effect on various violent crimes have been based on misapplied statistical models. I only made it through about a third of the paper, though, so it's possible I missed something in it.



    Do you mean "Why argue, when one can complain with zero self-awareness about how horrible everyone else is for not immediately abandoning their position in light of evidence they find completely uncompelling?"
     
  6. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.




    Right.

    Complain about my contempty motions while you introduce twilight, law and order as substantive evidence, and mention of shiatsu massage chairs while contemplating murder. Oh yea, and "I'm gonna kill that mofo, fuck shit ass" generally implies, lack of rationality. But I guess I Can't impute your position anything when discussing things with you.
    Where's my irony emoticon? Oh and while you denigrate the quality of my posts, your above post is roughly 66% thinly veiled personal attack, and only 1/3rd relevant. Says the guy who loves to talk Twlight (I think Tilted Entertainment is a few clicks down). You may have missed it while wandering in to "I-don't -Know-What-I'm-Talking-About-Land.
    And what evidence did I present to try to change your position? I mostly talked about the high costs of the death penalty and the relatively low benefits. But hey, let's just post douchey responses cuz it's fun. (It really is.)
     
  7. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    Dude, what happened?
     
  8. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    good lord. I am feeling much too happy to nosedive into this mess.
    I'll come back to contribute when the hysterical petulance level has come down a few notches. sheesh.
     
  10. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Except felony (non-premeditated) murders which account for a good number of (most?) death penalty convictions.
     
  11. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Citation for that?

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/those-executed-who-did-not-directly-kill-victim

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States#cite_note-0

    Also, Felony Murder applies only to certain 'inherently dangerous' felonies. And, Premeditiation can come in the form of simply deciding to pull the trigger.
     
  12. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    You would ask. :D I'm finding it difficult to come up with a single citation that supports my claim. Probably individual state held statistics that I'll have to research further. A book on the subject by Scott Sundby "A Life and Death Decision" puts the number at about 80% which contradicts the Wiki claim about it being a rare occurrence.

     
  13. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Fair enough. I'd imagine a Law Professor is more reliable of source than Wiki, anyway.
     
  14. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    /thread
     
  15. Stick

    Stick Vertical

    Location:
    Mudgee, Australia
    The death penalty isn't supposed to be a deterrant, it's a punishment.

    I don't support the death penalty, though, because it's administered by humans. The levels of malfeasance by cops, prosecutors and judges
    means the whole system is tainted and can't be trusted AT ALL.
    You just have to look at a few web sites that specialise in exposing the unconscionable behaviour
    of people within the so-called 'Justice System' to change your view of capital punishment forever.

    Here's a couple - http://www.theagitator.com/ , http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/ . There's more out there. The Agitator has a good roundup of cops, prosecutors, judges and politicians doing the wrong thing. Injusteeverywhere focuses more on cops, but the courts have to get their victims from somewhere.
     
  16. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    The punishment of death is intended to be a deterrent. Or so the justification goes. I tend to agree that it stems from other, less rational motivations. An attempt on the part of those in charge to satiate a desire for public revenge but more importantly, it gives the false impression to the public that those in charge are on top of the crime problem.

    Maybe we could get monkeys to do it. :D