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Gadhafi regime crumbling...and fast

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Baraka_Guru, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The first test for the National Transitional Council, and then ultimately, a new democratic government, will be to demonstrate respect for the rule of law. Easier said than done when never having experienced it, but looking at the top leadership of the NTC, one can see more respect for human rights than their predecessor (albeit that wouldnt take much) and reason to be cautiously optimistic.

    Unless of course, one has a predisposition to see terrorists or Islamic extremists behind the popular movements in every recent uprising that has occurred.
     
  2. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    that gaddafi video was on of the most shocking things i've seen in awhile.
     
  3. Eddie Getting Tilted

    New Libyan regime declares Sharia Law to be the basis of their new government. Just like I said earlier, greedy dictator out, Islamic Extremists in. Wonderful, this Arab Spring thing.

    From the yahoo article:
    "The transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil set out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying that Islamic Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country and that existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified."
     
  4. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Shock! Awe! Horror!

    Believe it or not, Eddie, but even moderate Muslims follow Sharia Law. It's an integral part of the Qur'an.

    That they made it the official basis for their legal system is no surprise there.

    1. Libya's a mainly Muslim country, and
    2. all Muslim countries (except Turkey) either have Sharia Law, or an individual State Law that does not contradict the principles of Sharia Law.

    Your statement that Sharia Law makes them Islamic extremists only goes to show how deep ignorance runs within you.
     
  5. Eddie Getting Tilted

    So much for the "wave of democracy" sweeping the Arab countries. Instead, these muslims continue to suppress the people under religious law.
     
  6. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Absolutely, because Islam does not allow democratic elections.

    :rolleyes:

    EDIT: Took that smiley from KirStang. I think I'll be using it a lot in "discussions" with Eddie.
     
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  7. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Finally, you're getting it. Nicely done.
     
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Of note is that the U.S. has six major allies in the Middle East that are predominantly Muslim and have aspects of Islam as a part of their laws and/or political system. Some have it as the foundation, such as the case with Saudi Arabia, an absolute Islamic monarchy and a huge American ally.

    Americans seem to have no problem forming valuable ties with Islamic kingdoms and republics.

    Islamic =/= extremist
    Islamic does not preclude a democratic system
     
  9. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Oil.....
     
  10. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Even beyond that, the Libyan draft constitution is very similar to the new Iraq constitution that the US helped draft that puts Sharia right at the top:

    Article 2:
    First. Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
    A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established
    B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.
    C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established.

    Second: This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.

    Of course, US conservatives never had such an alarmist reaction about Islamic extremism in the constitution their boys helped write.

    In the draft Libyan constitution, similar language is Article I.......makes it much more extremist.
    Article 1:
    Islam is the Religion of the State, and the principal source of legislation is Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia)..... The State shall guarantee for non-Muslims the freedom of practicing religious rights ...
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Places such as Morocco and Jordan aren't known for their oil. Together, they're lucky to have 2 million barrels in reserve.

    It's not about just the oil even where there is oil.

    Of course, the U.S. will continue doing business with Libya if they'll have them. There is not enough political will to give into American Islamophobia. Either way, America's economy is rigidly dependant on dealing with Islamists, socialists, and communists, even outside of oil.
     
  12. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Morocco needs our tourist dollars and we need their sweet surf spots. Besides, Morocco has always been a very European place more than it's been a muslim place.
     
  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The new Moroccan constitution that was adopted several months ago kept much of the core language of the previous constitution:

    PREAMBLE​
    An Islamic and fully sovereign state whose official language is Arabic...​

    Article 6: Islam shall be the state religion. The state shall guarantee freedom of worship for all.​

    More European than Muslim?
     
  14. Eddie Getting Tilted

    If you've ever been to Morocco, as I have several times, you would see first hand what I'm talking about. Reading about a country in wikipedia isn't the same as spending time there.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Would you suggest going on a surf tour to really get to know the Moroccans?

    * * * * *

    I guess the point is, ultimately, that Libyans around the world are happy that Gaddafi is gone. No matter what the foundation is for Libya's new government, the events leading up to today is hardly one to suggest that a fundamental and authoritarian government will easily take Gaddafi's place.

    Have we forgotten why Libya descended into civil war?

    A little something about corruption and human rights violations, and the desire for democratic elections.
     
  16. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Because Ghadafi was more interested in making money and living the high life rather than spreading Islam throughout the world with jihad. And really, that's all this Arab Spring thing is...a massive jihad push.
     
  17. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Of course, that is why we should judge these populist uprisings on the quality of the surfing rather than the resulting constitutions providing greater democratization, with more guaranteed rights for the people.
     
  18. Eddie Getting Tilted

    More guaranteed rights under Sharia law? That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
     
  19. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Surf on, dude!
     
  20. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Will do. And if you haven't been to Morocco, I highly, highly recommend it. Amazing place, amazing people...surfing on the coast, climbing in the Atlas, desert camel rides, the world's best hashish, and great hotels.