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Politics Gun violence in CT

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Joniemack, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    I understand that but in my opinion that'll never happen. It just seems like since the Colorado incident and the sandy hook incident it seems as if people are starting to come out of the woodwork with lets do away with guns and people can only have so much ammo.
    In my opinion if you take away guns from good people then the only ones that will have them are the bad ones....
     
  2. mixedmedia

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    yes, because it is patently obvious that only those of traditionally criminal intent are picking up these weapons to kill people. obviously.
     
  3. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    Point exactly
     
  4. mixedmedia

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    I was being facetious. My point is that you don't know who the 'bad' people are. They could just as easily be a member of your family or a neighbor or that dude you know from the grocery store as a thug who's been a criminal all of his life.
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    In fact, I'm not sure why anyone who owns guns should assume that I trust them not to crack up one day. It can happen to anyone given the right circumstances.
     
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  5. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    You just say that because you know I'm on the edge every moment of everyday. And I keep a list in my head of who I'm taking out first. Don't worry you're way down on the list.
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    Well I don't see why people are against mental health checks prior to allowing someone to own a firearm. I'm also not sure why anyone needs a Barrett .50 cal. or any fully auto anything.

    I'm not sold that limiting the size of or number of rounds a clip will hold will do much to resolve this issue. You'll just end up with folks modifying what they have or buying more weapons. Let's say they outlaw the sale of 17 round handgun clips. Ok, so I buy 15, 20 or 100 7 round clips. You know how long it takes to drop a clip and pop in a new one? To be cert. with the Oregon BPST you had to be able to do that in less then 5 sec. I don't know anyone who failed that and I'd guess most could manage that in 1-2 seconds. Fire with one hand and pop the next clip out of your belt so it's ready to be inserted. So how that helps is beyond me. But I'm more then willing to listen to any ideas that might reduce the number of these horrible incidents.

    Bottom line is it's time to take action. These mass shooting have become way too common, and really if you think about it one is too many.
     
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  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Former congresswoman Gabby Gifford's brief statement at the Senate hearing today was very touching.



    Her husband, Mark Kelly and the police chief from Baltimore County, MD, focused on background checks, improving state reporting of persons prohibited from purchasing as a result of being adjudicated as mentally ill and removing limitations on public health organizations that collect gun violence data.

    It still baffles me that even these mild measures were opposed by the other speakers....most notably, Wayne La Pierre.
     
  7. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    It kinda broke my heart.
     
  8. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    And right wing blog and gun forums are already saying her tears were fake. The woman got shot in the mother fucking head. Some folks have no shame.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Some?

    Shame has been dying an excruciating death since...well, for a long time now.
     
  10. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    Personally, I don't believe any responsible gun owner should be restricted from being able to purchase and bear firearms and ammunition. I also haven't heard anyone who is currently advocating for sensible gun control expressing an opinion that says "remove guns or ration ammo". I'm in this discussion on a few different boards and I can say that I haven't heard this voiced at all.

    Except as a scare tactic being used by right wing gun owners on those boards. If you're getting your information from them, Ralphie, they are steering you in the wrong direction.

    It simply isn't true. Not in the way it's being fed to the public by these fear mongers.

    If a certain style gun is banned (like a ban on assault rifles that look a certain way - a crock and a waste of time, if you ask me and not addressing the real problem) it doesn't prevent a gun owner from possessing any guns. Just that style of gun. How big a deal is that? I don't think it's a big deal but I'm not a gun owner.

    Do I think banning a certain style of weapon violates the 2nd amendment? No, but that's just my opinion.

    As far as a ban on high-capacity clips. I don't think they're necessary either if, as I hear, it takes just a few seconds to switch out standard capacity magazines. Do I think this ban would address the problem? Not really. But as I don't see the necessity for owning either an assault rifle or high capacity magazines, it's difficult for me to see what the big deal is if they are banned.

    Is it a matter of principle? Are people arguing over this just to argue? Do people really believe that this is some sort of slippery slope where banning one style of gun will eventually lead to banning them all? I think some people actually do believe this.

    The trouble with this line of thinking is that it's unrealistic. There are something like 300 million firearms floating around out there. It would be nearly impossible to round them all up. There's also the matter of the 2nd amendment. The President and every member of the Congress and the Supreme Court takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. A total ban on guns would violate the Constitution. No government body can do that. Not even the Supreme Court.

    So there is no logical way to take guns away from citizens. Which is not to say that the government doesn't have the right to some oversight where they are concerned.

    What States are doing is a different matter. If you live in New York you have to register/license your firearms with a renewal every few years. There are other states looking to do the same sort of thing. But the Federal government has no such plan in the works. If they decide to, I don't see where the problem lies in registration or licensing of guns unless you are a kook who thinks that once the government knows what weapons you have, they will come take them away. Conspiracy theories abound.

    So is what New York doing infringing on people's right to bear arms? I don't see it that way. Has the requirement for registration in New York cut down on the gun violence there since it was instituted? Yes.

    There's a fine line to be walked here. I think those seeking sensible gun-control and gun owner/advocates need to walk that line together rather than maintain their respective and very polarized stances.
     
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  11. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    NRA is dusting off and preparing to recirculate its "enemies" list -- organizations and individuals that “lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations” or have otherwise backed efforts to promote gun safety. The list totals 506 names, including major medical associations, law enforcement organizations, former presidents and a long list of celebrities.


    NRA-ILA | National Organizations With Anti-Gun Po


    Hmmm... organizations representing doctors/nurses, educators, people of faith, etc. Quite a subversive bunch!

    I'm proud that my non-partisan organization made the list!
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Subversive, anti-American, and probably socialist.

    I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five people five hundred and six names that were are known to the Secretary of State NRA-ILA as being members of the Communist Party having anti-gun policies and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department.​

    Joseph R. McCarthy NRA-ILA​

    Not to undermine your victory, but the bar looks pretty low.
     
  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    I neglected to link


    NRA-ILA | National Organizations With Anti-Gun Po
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    We're right there with Kathy Lee Gifford and Britney Spears!
     
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  14. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    I would not be happy between Kathy Lee Gifford and Britney Spears.

    Low bar indeed.
     
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  15. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    I would be happier between Susan Sarandon and Sigorney Weaver
     
  16. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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  17. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    I'm proud too. Congratulations. The only arrows they fear are those that hit the target.
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    I thought they were Republicans?!

    Oh, the shame. :(
     
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  18. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

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    Source: BBC News - Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way
     
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  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Wayne LaPierre's latest fear mongering op ed and why we need more guns.

    Highlights:

    "During the Obama second term.....
    • "Latin American drug gangs have invaded every city of significant size in the United States"
    • "The border today remains porous not only to people seeking jobs in the U.S., but to criminals whose jobs are murder, rape, robbery and kidnapping.”
    • “Ominously, the border also remains open to agents of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations"
    • “After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all.”
    • “Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection."
    • “We, the American people, clearly see the daunting forces we will undoubtedly face: terrorists, crime, drug gangs, the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster.”
    NRAs America is one scary ass place to live!
     
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